Moin!
On 2 Mar 2019, at 1:14, Michael Richardson wrote:
I personally do not believe that Home Router firmware update practices
have
significantly improved. I would welcome more recent data: is anyone
collecting this on a regular basis? I suspect that 90% of firmware
updates
occur because the (integrated) modem is replaced in order to upgrade
bandwidth.
So you think this is a problem.
For the last 10 to 15 years the ISP-provided home router has come to
dominate
the market, with the belief by the ISPs that this is a MUST that they
control
the device. Many (but not all) at the IETF do not share this view,
but most
non-technical users see the ISP provided router is simply saving the
trip to
BestBuy, rather than an abdication of control over their home.
And I agree with most of the non-technical end users there. An ISP
provided
router does get updates and in case of problems I can call them and they
will
fix it. I currently experience that myself as my DSL modem (not ISP
supplied)
is currently experiencing problems, which the ISP provided router does
not
have. So I now have to research what the actual problem is, which is
something
most non technical users wouldn’t be even capable of doing.
Also I’ve seen way more intrusion of my home and privacy by over the
top
providers or IoT devices than I have seen by my ISP. I know this might
be
different in different parts of the world, which is why we should not
take
either view for granted.
It's clearly not in
Amazon/Google/Facebook/Intel/Samsung/insert-another-IoT-conglomerate's
interest to be told by ISPs what their products may or may not do.
This is an ongoing tussle that that relates in some ways (but not all)
to the
net neutrality debate and the desire my ISPs for a cut of the
over-top-pie.
My answer is that the consumer should be in control, and that ISPs
need to
get out of the home router business entirely.
I agree that customers should be in control, and they are now as in most
countries you can choose between an ISP provided routers or buy one at
your
convenience. I do not see how less choice (only non ISP provided
routers)
will make this better especially as ISP provided and often managed
routers
are usually updated and taken care of by the ISP in case of problems.
Home router vendors (or the
service companies they create) should provide first-level support for
issues,
and actual real connectivity issues should be submitted
electronically.
Well I wish I had a pony, but sorry this is not how it works. The
primary
driver for most people when they buy home routers is price and I doubt
that
these mostly Asia based companies could support my wider family with a
german speaking hotline. My ISP can though…
On Stephens original question I am between 3 and 4, as I mostly care
from
an intellectual standpoint, as in man it would be great if that would
work,
rather then believe we will actually get devices widely deployed, but I
for
sure would like to play with some in my free time.
So long
-Ralf
—--
Ralf Weber
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