Well Richard,
 
Since you mentioned Albright Knox, then it calls for another story.  If you 
guys and gals don't like me posting the stories, then let me know and I will 
gladly stop.
 
I came to the BPO in 1967, and it was during my first or second season that a 
friend took me to the Albright Knox to hear a John Cage piece.  It was for 
piano, clar, two perc and at the very end John Cage himself.
 
The piece started with Lucas playing Bach.... and he was an incredible 
pianist.... then the clar was added.... one note with a stick in the bell that 
he moved in and out to produce a wooooo woooooooo kind of sound.... Next one of 
the percs started to drag this huge chain around the stage, and finally the 2nd 
perc started beating on this very big anvil.  Of coarse then all you could hear 
was the anvil bang bang band...  This went on for about twenty minutes and 
finally from the front row of the theater up jumped John Cage with this little 
wind up toy machine gun.  Which he pointed at the audience and proceed to kill 
everyone.  That was the end of the piece.
 
There was about ten seconds of complete silence... I mean you could hear a pin 
drop!   And from somewhere out of the audience came this very loud "BULL SHIT"
 
 The BPO really played some wild stuff with Lucas.  My first two years in the 
orchestra I was totally terrified, until I figured out the "correct way"  to 
fake.  Actually Buffalo was probably the most famous avant guard orchestra in 
the world during those days.  Any composer who was anyone came to Buffalo 
during those days to take part.   It did not do us any good as far as audience 
appeal though.  It was the beinning of the orchestras real financial problems.  
And we have never really recovered.  
 
Another time another story.  If you like the next one about Larry Austin.  :)




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From: Richard V. West <[email protected]>
To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 2:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Non-Transposing stop mute

Well, Copland's "opacity" on the subject of + vs. sordino is very 
obvious in the "Lincoln Portrait." Funny you mention him in connection 
with Buffalo, because that's where I met him (more socially than 
musically) when he came to events at the Albright-Knox, when Lukas Foss 
(then conductor of the Buffalo Phil) used to perform contemporary works 
with his small ensemble.

I've never regretted (for long) asking a question, but I have frequently 
regretted not asking a question

Richard in Seattle

On 5/29/2010 10:52 AM, Milton Kicklighter wrote:
> Well time for and old "war" story from Milton.
>  
> Many years ago when Mr Copland was conducting the Buffalo Phil.... as he did 
> very often.... and I think it was the
> music from Rodeo..... he kept asking the horns to play louder and brasser at 
> the end.  I
> finally asked him.... quite the upstart I was to be asking Mr Copland 
> anything..... "well Mr
> Copland do you want it stopped or muted?  It would be louder muted!  And he 
> said!!!  Whats
> the difference????  Dudddddddd.  He did not really know that for us horn 
> pickers the little + 
>  meant stopped, and apprantley the did not know the difference between muted 
>and stopped. 
> He used the + to indicate "brassey".  That was the end of my
> questioning period in life. :)
>
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