My vote is to keep the stories coming.  If this were Chicago, or Box 13 Jim
Wells County it would be my first of many votes in favor.   

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Of Milton Kicklighter
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 10:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Non-Transposing stop mute

Well Richard,
 
Since you mentioned Albright Knox, then it calls for another story.  If you
guys and gals don't like me posting the stories, then let me know and I will
gladly stop.
 
I came to the BPO in 1967, and it was during my first or second season that
a friend took me to the Albright Knox to hear a John Cage piece.  It was for
piano, clar, two perc and at the very end John Cage himself.
 
The piece started with Lucas playing Bach.... and he was an incredible
pianist.... then the clar was added.... one note with a stick in the bell
that he moved in and out to produce a wooooo woooooooo kind of sound....
Next one of the percs started to drag this huge chain around the stage, and
finally the 2nd perc started beating on this very big anvil.  Of coarse then
all you could hear was the anvil bang bang band...  This went on for about
twenty minutes and finally from the front row of the theater up jumped John
Cage with this little wind up toy machine gun.  Which he pointed at the
audience and proceed to kill everyone.  That was the end of the piece.
 
There was about ten seconds of complete silence... I mean you could hear a
pin drop!   And from somewhere out of the audience came this very loud "BULL
SHIT"
 
 The BPO really played some wild stuff with Lucas.  My first two years in
the orchestra I was totally terrified, until I figured out the "correct
way"  to fake.  Actually Buffalo was probably the most famous avant guard
orchestra in the world during those days.  Any composer who was anyone came
to Buffalo during those days to take part.   It did not do us any good as
far as audience appeal though.  It was the beinning of the orchestras real
financial problems.  And we have never really recovered.  
 
Another time another story.  If you like the next one about Larry Austin. 
:)




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From: Richard V. West <[email protected]>
To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 2:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Non-Transposing stop mute

Well, Copland's "opacity" on the subject of + vs. sordino is very obvious in
the "Lincoln Portrait." Funny you mention him in connection with Buffalo,
because that's where I met him (more socially than
musically) when he came to events at the Albright-Knox, when Lukas Foss
(then conductor of the Buffalo Phil) used to perform contemporary works with
his small ensemble.

I've never regretted (for long) asking a question, but I have frequently
regretted not asking a question

Richard in Seattle

On 5/29/2010 10:52 AM, Milton Kicklighter wrote:
> Well time for and old "war" story from Milton.
>  
> Many years ago when Mr Copland was conducting the Buffalo Phil.... as 
>he did very often.... and I think it was the  music from Rodeo..... he 
>kept asking the horns to play louder and brasser at the end.  I  
>finally asked him.... quite the upstart I was to be asking Mr Copland 
>anything..... "well Mr  Copland do you want it stopped or muted?  It 
>would be louder muted!  And he said!!!  Whats  the difference????  
>Dudddddddd.  He did not really know that for us horn pickers the little 
>+
>  meant stopped, and apprantley the did not know the difference between
muted and stopped. 
> He used the + to indicate "brassey".  That was the end of my  
>questioning period in life. :)
>
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