Richard, what you describe, is just the "gedaempft" Effect (or muted, hand muted). It allows a similar effect (near) as the "echo-ball".
This, also half-muted named technique is the more important technique than stopped, if we talk about the natural horn technique. Using the higher natural pitch & tune it down a half step, or a quarter step or even less (7th Bb, 11th f2, a1) or more in the lower region. Stopping is just required for very few notes, but mostly in combination with a sf or fz or sfz . ###################################################################################################### Am 31.05.2010 um 19:06 schrieb Richard V. West: > Hans, > > Apropos the echo horn effect, I was taught to produce it by partially > stopping the horn---that is, closing off the bell about 7/8 with the > hand so that it lowers the pitch a half-step---and fingering the passage > (such as in Dukas' Sorcerer's Apprentice) a half-step higher. It works > for me and is simple, but is the use of a cloth ball the time-honored > tradition? It would certainly eliminate the need for transposing. > > Or is it another example of "whatever works, do it"? > > Richard in Seattle > > On 5/31/2010 4:22 AM, Hans Pizka wrote: >> You cannot make it right for everyone, one likes white poodles, the other >> black, one >> likes pictures, the other likes text, some need pictures plus text but do >> not understand >> pictures or/and text. >> >> Conclusion, there is no help for everyone even intended to be. >> >> Another Chinese wisdom: >> >> "fixed parities between the currencies to eliminate speculation" >> or >> "one currency for the world, also to extinguish speculation" >> (we would lose a part of our identity, but it would be worth). >> >> Nice coins as in the past (18th/19th cent.) will not come back anyway. >> >> ################################################################### >> Am 31.05.2010 um 13:00 schrieb Bill Gross: >> >> >>> Yes, but it was the Chinese in their long ranging wisdom that taught, "one >>> picture is worth a thousand words." >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>> Of Hans Pizka >>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:06 AM >>> To: The Horn List >>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn Digest, Vol 89, Issue 34 >>> >>> Many people have a hard time visualizing things. We are spoiled by the mass >>> media which explain everything over& over (right is where the thumb points >>> to the left if the hands upper side points upwards, but left in this >>> experiment is where .... well, it does not work .. >>> if one does not know where right& left are .... ): >>> >>> here we go, the brass stopping mute has a ring attached on the body. You can >>> attach a cord or thin leather loop of about 16" total length, depends on >>> your hand size, so you can pull that loop over the wrist of your right hand. >>> The stop mute is at hand then for quick action. It also can be hung on your >>> music stand. The same action can be performed with the old conical mute for >>> "con sord." passages without preceding rests. You also can grab the conical >>> mute with your hand, insert it fully for muted or pull it out a bit so your >>> sound is like open. >>> Try it. You also might use the conical mute for the "gestopft", if you play >>> the relevant notes a bit sharper (in expression, not regarding intonation >>> !) as usual. The "stop mute", pulled out a bit will allow open-like sounds >>> at such spots. Experiment a bit. If composers write such nonsens (read other >>> postings), they deserve that we camouflage. It does not matter, HOW you >>> produce it. Everything is allowed, if the audible result is right. >>> >>> The "echo - trick" is simple. You do not need to make yourself a horn-sack, >>> but you can do it. Buy the cloth of about 65 x 80 cms, usually shiny black, >>> buy yourself a sewing machine, if you have not. Fold the cloth to the >>> reverse side, sew the one longer side to create place for a cord pulled >>> through .... forget that. >>> >>> Just seal the borders of the cloth. BTW, you would just need 16"x32". You >>> have the perfect knee cover now. >>> In case you need to play an echo sound, roll the cloth together like a >>> children ball to be inserted into the bell ..... forget that also. >>> >>> Just look around at toy stations in the department store or children store, >>> find a cloth ball of 4" diameter. >>> Use that for the "echo sound". >>> >>> I hope, you can visualize that and use my recommendations. >>> ############################################################################ >>> ###### >>> Am 30.05.2010 um 21:50 schrieb valerie wells: >>> >>> >>>> Please, please keep the stories coming, Milton! They are fascinating. >>>> Equally fascinating is Hans's story of using various means for >>>> stopping. I wish I could see a picture. I'm having a hard time >>>> >>> visualizing it. >>> >>>> >>>>> If you guys and gals don't like me posting the stories, then let me >>>>> know >>>>> >>>> and I will gladly stop.< >>>> >>>> >>>> Valerie Wells >>>> http://www.beforhorn.blogspot.com/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> post: [email protected] >>>> unsubscribe or set options at >>>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.c >>>> om >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hornfella%40comcast.net >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2907 - Release Date: 05/30/10 >> 11:25:00 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
