Hello Robert,
may I throw in another idea:

if they tune their Bb-side with the written f2 (top line) played as open note, 
no wonder
that the Bb-side gets sharp.

Wouldn´t it be much better to tune the horn using a note which is in pitch on 
both sides (F & Bb) ?
Playing the written c (2nd space from top) to tune the F-side to a given 
concert "a" 
and playing also written c (concert f) to the given concert Bb (our F-Horn f2). 
Using the ear for the intervals "Third" (for F-horn tuning) and the "Fourth" to 
tune he Bb-sifde.

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Am 23.01.2011 um 08:07 schrieb Robert Dickow:

> I'm surprised myself at her intonation generally. I wonder if she'll have
> more issues with that when she does get a double horn. Right now she plays a
> single F. 
> 
> With my college students, I try to make sure they learn to tune their horns
> to get a good intonation match between the F and B-flat sides. But I must
> say I have had a few students who can go very sharp on the B-flat side
> because that match goes awry.
> 
> Bob Dickow
> Lionel Hampton School of Music
> University of Idaho
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Right Arm
> 
> It is surprizing to hear that your student lacking a right hand is playing
> in tune.  I often find the Bb side in my students' horns (and fellow
> amatuers's horns) playing quite sharp in contrast to the F side.  Sometimes,
> I've found that they've pulled the F slide out erroneously thinking it's the
> main tuning slide, pushing the F slide back in sometimes corrects the
> problem.  But sometimes the only way to achieve equal intonation between the
> two sides of a double is to have the them move their right hand further into
> the bell which lowers the pitch on the Bb side more dramatically than the F
> side.  I think some of this may depend on the make of the horn.
> 
> Is this girl playing a double?  What is the make?
> -- 
> Valerie Wells
> The Balanced Embouchure Method
> http://bebabe.wordpress.com/
> http://www.beforhorn.blogspot.com/
>> I must say that even I am surprised at how well she plays in tune. I might
> suggest that she has adapted to the intonation demands through other means
> than using the hand, learning in her own way from the very first day she
> blew the instrument. She does have a good ear... but if only she would
> practice consistently!
> 
> Bob Dickow
> Lionel Hampton School of Music<
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