l think the remedy of dealing with under-performing players in an ensemble is 
to 
first have the director or the ensemble governing board set up performance 
standards and a monitoring system of checks.  I have been in perhaps a dozen 
amateur ensembles in the past 11 years, orchestras and bands, and only one of 
them does this even a slight amount.  Some of these groups are sponsored by 
educational programs such as community colleges, and the course catalogs all 
say 
"admittance by audition", and these auditions never happen.  Directors seem to 
be adverse to dealing with performance issues and would rather see them go away 
on their own. 


 I have also talked with accomplished musicians who will not join these groups 
after they ask me about the groups' enforced performance standards (that rarely 
exist).  Since the better musicians never or rarely join, these ensembles are 
not aware of the musicians they are missing who could upgrade the ensemble.  I 
try to talk to directors about this, particularly in regard to admitting horn 
players.  The approach I have right now is for the director to realize he will 
get unending comments of wrath from me if he admits a sub-par horn player. 


 I do try to nurture horn players and I try to be tolerant of them when they 
realize they need to improve and when they work at it.  The category of player 
that gets me upset is the player who doesn't know he plays badly, is arrogant 
about his position in the ensemble, and seriously degrades the performance of 
the ensemble.  I'm with beginning level players who know their limitations, 
play 
softly, and don't ruin the performance. These players are fine to have, even if 
they shouldn't have been admitted in the first place.

Regards,
Larry

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