Thank you Heather, highly appreciated. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Heather Leson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello, my contacts advised that they are following up. A quick note that > this is a WHO dataset, not OCHA. If any files or notes could reflect that > great. > > If there is any update I will let you know. It might take some time due to > timezones and approvals by different UN groups. > > Thank you again for your work and advocacy. > > Heather > On May 4, 2015 8:15 AM, "Heather Leson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you. >> >> Inquiry sent. >> >> Heather >> On May 4, 2015 8:02 AM, "Prabhas Pokharel" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Heather, >>> 2. The dataset was the following >>> https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod >>> 1. Megha went through and manually matched up health facilities in the >>> Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly surveyed and created a rigorous >>> dataset in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in the valley were >>> deleted. Since the second dataset doesn't have names, match up was done by >>> location. Please follow up with Megha on the rest. >>> >>> If we get a compatible license, the other route we could go through >>> (instead of re-instanting the changeset) is to do a more rigorous import, >>> after checking that the health facility locations seem legitimate (not in >>> forests, near residences, etc.) and not in conflict with existing >>> facilities with HOT's help. >>> >>> cheers, >>> Prabhas >>> >>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Heather Leson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I will >>>> ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation >>>> >>>> What I need is: >>>> 1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (the >>>> link below ) >>>> 2. Exact source link for the dataset. >>>> >>>> I will ask for a license update. >>>> >>>> Does this sound ok? >>>> >>>> Heather >>>> >>>> The file is >>>> On May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, "Prabhas Pokharel" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > A very sad one, but nothing to do >>>>> > about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM >>>>> > without that non-commercial restriction. >>>>> >>>>> HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to >>>>> ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the >>>>> bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see >>>>> it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus >>>>> on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing. >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> Prabhas >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Prabhas: >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative >>>>>> database that can be of use in this situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a >>>>>> guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them >>>>>> while surveying on the ground. >>>>>> >>>>>> Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might >>>>>> be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any >>>>>> case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do >>>>>> about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM >>>>>> without that non-commercial restriction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Rafael. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote: >>>>>> > Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset >>>>>> > geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was >>>>>> > incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license >>>>>> > here in Nepal. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps >>>>>> > that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is >>>>>> > amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake >>>>>> > buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the >>>>>> > ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds >>>>>> > like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for >>>>>> > that. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However, >>>>>> > it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations >>>>>> > have been using locally, given that it is the best available >>>>>> > dataset of health facility locations. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve >>>>>> > OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate >>>>>> > datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we >>>>>> > are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of >>>>>> > the license. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > cheers, Prabhas >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya >>>>>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Hi all: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has >>>>>> > answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and >>>>>> > she tells me: "we are trying to create papers for the relief >>>>>> > workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads, >>>>>> > buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for >>>>>> > the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the >>>>>> > health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least >>>>>> > find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the >>>>>> > map. The data I imported was from >>>>>> > https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod. >>>>>> > The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and >>>>>> > we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful >>>>>> > and you can help us out." >>>>>> > >>>>>> > With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were >>>>>> > discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost >>>>>> > 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of nodes >>>>>> > in well out of any settlements). The other problem I see is the >>>>>> > license: it's for non-commercial use, and that makes it >>>>>> > incompatible with the OSM license. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I really feel to give a no in such circumstances as these, and >>>>>> > that's why I ask for more input from other people with experience >>>>>> > on this, just in case there is any possibility of including the >>>>>> > data into OSM, and if not what other options we would have to make >>>>>> > good use of these data set, if any. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Cheers, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Rafael. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote: >>>>>> >> When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes >>>>>> >> tagged as "Hospital" with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA >>>>>> >> as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is >>>>>> >> nothing nearby. Like here: >>>>>> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks >>>>>> >> like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because >>>>>> >> hospitals are important! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a >>>>>> >> "task" now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole >>>>>> >> project? >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list >>>>>> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list >>>>>> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- Prabhas Pokharel http://prabhasp.com >>>>>> > twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp >>>>>> >>>>>> - -- >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya >>>>>> >>>>>> - -------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, >>>>>> .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. >>>>>> >>>>>> Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e >>>>>> abertos. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) >>>>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ >>>>>> >>>>>> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVRvhtAAoJEB3niTly2pPQ6rYQAIACG4KEtph2xtxQvywpuEsJ >>>>>> dJujmsakn1Z2R3Cx6RhbB1cpTtwRB5R08WDeDx6veKh2NjyyoYmBk1gpxam0M8m+ >>>>>> nZcyixJxn59vMkVHCLh0kKyBBGNnDAPyQC+GBZtPsW04Vd7Zi8qc3rs98CnE3QHP >>>>>> gHpXfD/xtiMSi/g/Q6MhQ/DNYOQLLyZn9O2F3zg8UWHFTBFcUE544wnOkKmzmoKF >>>>>> ORyfN5Z3/d8E6GewV48otvl96S1xVikmLqu3AEDDGugU1llBOIpjG1gpF+yIEDtD >>>>>> Qq5+2iYGqTWoq/k/fVpuORvWaETHYtORzcTjGbul757gwLZYFwJtrgMsnkjf0KiO >>>>>> flnL3w6Vh5Ysc/imP5P6p76yg5rxRPhuoSdc0H5OJTExH09sZAwrvqOmjULeYTaX >>>>>> wfltzd8QJmD7WWLSsVnRVNoNXyPkA6EFB0x5zJklAJdELslAZIrV2X0YPB/bbqDT >>>>>> TJPob34LoicYoXZ0JPt5VbHPYUTZvHq7HJ8bZzaXOrWblPctb4fz7abUHUMEzl/5 >>>>>> W9KoNx0wJAU1ChJkERV8IxuMwnffwELnw/CUN5p57XJ6PY5vCnuTOPYoScrTwFN4 >>>>>> lfvwRSoMkDsbcmCPotaXJ+lt2egKAZoqWc9T78qEsOUsf9gB1pF2zfvHmTKBQ500 >>>>>> 69oFJ/ArvtOAV2hLDBCx >>>>>> =b93r >>>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Prabhas Pokharel >>>>> http://prabhasp.com >>>>> twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> HOT mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Prabhas Pokharel >>> http://prabhasp.com >>> twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp >>> >> -- Prabhas Pokharel http://prabhasp.com twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp
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