A suggestion would be for these types of tasks disable the tasking manager from communicating with anything but JOSM its a bit drastic but where data quality matters it is a very simple but crude method of keeping the very inexperienced mappers away.
The other suggestion is disable Tasking Manager from permitting anything but a JOSM mapper from validating but that would be on all projects. Cheerio John On 12 October 2016 at 16:57, Dale Kunce <dale.ku...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks everyone. I agree that the task should be marked as appropriate for > intermediate or advanced mappers. > > I also wanted to reiterate a point that Mikel made. Having two tasking > managers, is not the greatest for more coordination. HOT's official tasking > manager should be the only tasking manager used. Having conflicting tasks > introduces errors and makes coordination for actual data use difficult. > > Romain, > Thanks for your suggestions. My apologies on not getting back to you I've > been very busy and traveling the last couple of days. > You are correct that we changed the way that created tasks. There was some > debate within the activation team as to which way to do the work. All of > your comments will be captured in the after action for some lesson's > learned. > > Thanks again for everyone that is contributing to the mapping. > > Dale > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Romain Bousson <romainbous...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hello, >> I noticed the same issues recently. All along the week, as the media >> coverage increased, the way that the projects and tasks were completing >> themselves changed. From large tiles completed by several users turn by >> turn, we came to big tiles directly divided into tiny tasks, being >> completed by only one user in a few minutes. The peer review process, >> making the quality of the work, was botched. >> I personnaly found many tasks checked green as "validated" by newcomers, >> and "completed" by newcomers. >> >> For example, here is an extract from a message I sent to Dale Kunce >> (admin of many Haïti projects), where I was pointing to the fact that many >> newcomers did not see the instructions tab and so did not use the new >> Digital Globe imagery, and stayed using Bing (that was before today's post >> disaster imagery). But I unfortunately received no answer. I am not here to >> complain about that: I understand that there may be a lot of other things >> to do during these days. >> >> >>> I just saw 4 tiles on the #2223 - Hurricane Matthew: Grand Anse coast >>> project and all were wrong according to me (but maybe I am wrong and >>> somebody have to tell me): - task #53 was checked "complete" by >>> @michaelcraven, but many buildings were missing. - and the 3 main tasks of >>> ANSE D'HAINAULT town : #232, #233 and #13. All 3 were clearly not done >>> using Digital Globe imagery so it missed a lot of things. >>> >> >> I think some more warnings and advices written in the instructions tabs >> would be very simple and quite effective. >> >> Cheers, >> Romain Bousson (mapping as Romainbou) >> >> 2016-10-12 19:34 GMT+02:00 Severin Menard <severin.men...@gmail.com>: >> >>> The edits on hotosm.org job #2228 <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2228> >>> have started and now happens what I feared. There is no mention of what are >>> the necessary skills and newbies are coming with a lot of enthusiasm but >>> with almost no OSM experience. A quick analysis of the first 29 >>> contributors shows that 20 of them have created their OSM account less than >>> one month ago. Some did it yesterday or today. Wow. >>> >>> The result of that : obviously, crappy edits are coming, spoiling what >>> we have been doing over the last few days : now we have building as nodes >>> where shapes are totally visible, un-squared bad shaped buildings and the >>> main landuse area is self-cutting in various places (see there >>> <https://leslibresgeographes.org/jirafeau/f.php?h=26gWjHki&p=1>). >>> >>> Nothing new under the sun : it was already the case for Haiti EarthQuake >>> 2010. Quite a pity that six years after, despite the OSM tools have >>> improved a lot, it remains the same. It is though quite simple to fix the >>> most part of it: do-not-invite-newcomers-to-map >>> -over-complex-crisis-contexts. >>> >>> I guess some will argue that the OSM newcomers are people of good will >>> and that they just want to help and that they my feel offended/discouraged. >>> Of course their intentions are high and yes they may feel a bit hurt. But >>> this is really a classic in humanitarian response: people with the best >>> intentions in the world may not fit for it, just because they are not >>> experienced yet. >>> >>> Mapping in OSM in crisis response is not an exciting one-shot hobby : it >>> does have its learning curve and it is key to learn how to map correctly >>> before being dropped over complex humanitarian contexts. This is why I >>> mentioned three sets of necessary skills for the jobs I created these last >>> days on http://taches.francophonelibre.org. And the beginner mappers >>> who joined the job that fitted for beginners are people that already have a >>> few months of OSM experience, not newcomers. Newcomers should be driven >>> over non urgent fields. >>> >>> If someone is not interested to learn first in not a mass media covered >>> crisis context : this is not a problem, it is actually a good way to see >>> real motivations. I personally prefer to get one mapper that will become a >>> huge, excellent contributor, 3-4 more occasional but still producing neat >>> data, than to lose 10 that would create crappy objects and just leave >>> forever afterwards anyway. >>> >>> I guess the resulting need of duplicating the number of necessary edits >>> (crappy ones then corrections) to get a clean data is a rather a good way >>> to grow the number of total contributors and the number of total edits >>> created through the # of the HOT TM instance that seems to be so important >>> for the board of HOT US Inc (two current directors have contacted me for >>> this purpose) to make communication and raise funds from the figures. But >>> what is at stake here is to provide good baseline data for humanitarian >>> response, not distorted metrics. >>> >>> Séverin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > > > -- > sent from my mobile device > > Dale Kunce > http://normalhabit.com > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >
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