There is a difference between HOT and OpenStreetMap. HOT adds data to
OpenStreetMap and has to follow OpenStreetMaps rules when adding data as
we all do.
If you are mapping from local knowledge ie I can see this that is fine
by OpenStreetMap rules. The Import rules are for imports and are there
for a purpose which is to protect OpenStreetMap from having data added
to it that cannot be licensed by OpenStreetMap to its end users using
the .ODBL license.
Getting the correct license does take time sometimes, it took me some
five years to get the local municipal open data license aligned with
OpenStreetMap. It is today and we are able import the local bus stops.
Doesn't sound like much but we have all the phone numbers to dial to see
when the next bus is coming.
The quality of some imports made in the past has been less than ideal.
Certainly there are places on the map that have tags saying fixme this
village name maybe 2 kilometers out. I came across one village
yesterday with three different names which appeared to be from three
different imports.
Today imports are challenged routinely. Locally I handled the last one
because the person who did it before really didn't want to go through
the aggressive challenges to the license and data quality that came from
the import mailing list.
Remember OpenStreetMap has many members, only some of whom believe that
imports are good. Some others think if it hasn't been surveyed with a
mapper on the ground then it shouldn't be in the map.
Cheerio John
yo paseopor wrote on 2020-03-17 3:15 PM:
You insult me. You have said to a confined teacher (For 1st time
ever, and it is not a joke ALL the education has been stopped in Spain
sine die) literally: "you don't have any better to do".
My first collaboration was Italy's 2015 Earthquake , in Amatrice. In
24 hours I was mapping first the existed buildings, from Bing or
something like that. 24 hours later I was tagging the same buildings
following millitary data: red destroyed, yellow ruined , green safe
structures. It was an emergency, we had to act in that moment, with no
delay.
I talk about this in a interview in a MSF
Mapathon.https://beteve.cat/ciencia-i-tecnologia/crear-mapes-des-de-barcelona-per-fer-mes-accessible-lassistencia-medica-a-sierra-leone/
That impacted me so much. That changed my life. Nobody's tell me, Hey!
you don't have anything better to do (was on summer holidays). From
that, have I gone to 9? 10 mapathons?
5 years later, in a National Emergency situation one of the "Lizard
People" of OSM told me when I have to tried to complete the pharmacies
in my land , with a data set with specific permission to OSM three things:
1. Nothing is urgent here
2. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy is missing from OSM
3. You sit at home with nothing else to do
Tell me one reason to collaborate with HOT for Burundi or Burkina Faso
if I can't do with Catalonia or Spain, my land, with data which we
have an specific permission.
But don't get me wrong. The problem is not the license or the
discussion. The problem is you have offended me. I demand an apology.
yopaseopor
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:53 PM Frederik Ramm <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
On 2020-03-17 16:47, yo paseopor wrote:
> "Nothing is urgent here. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a
pharmacy
> is missing from OSM. You are just making up an urgent task
because you
> sit at home with nothing else to do." said by Frederik Ramm to an
> Openstreetmap volunteer who is confined at home due to #COVID19
> completing pharmacies in a zone, yesterday.
>
> Is this the way to promote HOT tasks or promote local mapping in
OSM. I
> don't think so.
You didn't promote local mapping, you promoted an import that has
meanwhile turned out to be a massive copyright violation because you
decided to act first and ask questions later - which is exactly
the kind
of "help" that I am advocating against. I don't doubt your good
intentions, but I am certain that every single person in the
humanitarian sector knows that good intentions alone aren't
sufficient.
Bye
Frederik
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