"I suggest you relax a little, if OpenStreetMap isn't fun try something else. " You have reason. I have to relax myself. I have unsubscribed from this list. Happy confinement.
yopaseopor On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:51 PM John Whelan <[email protected]> wrote: > There are plenty of urgent things that HOT hasn't mapped yet. What one > NGO thinks is urgent another might not agree. > > Take look at the Import mailing list and you'll find many blunter posts > there. > > There is a range of points of view within OpenStreetMap yours is one of > them. > > If you go back to the response to your first posts and read through them I > think you will agree they were more polite. Unfortunately you seemed > unable to accept the advice given. > > Fredrick can come across as blunt sometimes but what he says often makes > sense and I agree with him about the dangers of imports. > > You are in a well mapped area. The locals probably know where their local > pharmacy is. From a medical point of view I'm unclear on how knowing > details of where a pharmacy is is important to COVID-19. > > There are no known drugs at this point in time. Soap and water is > probably the most effective preventive treatment, that and not going down > to the pub or restaurant. > > For the record I have done a fair amount of validation work in HOT > projects until I grew tired of poor work that took more effort to validate > than map correctly in the first place. These days I spend time cleaning up > the map, deleting duplicate buildings many of which have been mapped on HOT > projects, connecting villages that haven't been connected with highways > etc. I have had some experience with the import process and of gathering > together support for the local mappers to do an import. > > I suggest you relax a little, if OpenStreetMap isn't fun try something > else. > > Cheerio John > > yo paseopor wrote on 2020-03-17 6:25 PM: > > " But don't get me wrong. The problem is not the license or the > discussion. The problem is you have offended me. I demand an apology." > > One responsible of here wrote: > > 1. Nothing is urgent here > 2. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy is missing from OSM > 3. You sit at home with nothing else to do. > > What do you think about this three topics? What if some one tell that > about one of the HOT projects? > Think about it. > > If some OSM user say that to other user that would be unacceptable > If some HOT user say that to other user that would be unacceptable > If some HOT responsible say that to other user would be unacceptable > If some HOT responsible say that to a user about user's land would be > unacceptable. > > I don't know who you are. It does not matter. > yopaseopor > > PD: I'm confined. For the first time ever Spanish school (as European > schools) are stopped without date of return.Nor Civil War or II World War > stopped the school and confined all the people. Also major part of > citizens of Europe are confined. It's time to act. > > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:57 PM John Whelan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There is a difference between HOT and OpenStreetMap. HOT adds data to >> OpenStreetMap and has to follow OpenStreetMaps rules when adding data as we >> all do. >> >> If you are mapping from local knowledge ie I can see this that is fine by >> OpenStreetMap rules. The Import rules are for imports and are there for a >> purpose which is to protect OpenStreetMap from having data added to it that >> cannot be licensed by OpenStreetMap to its end users using the .ODBL >> license. >> >> Getting the correct license does take time sometimes, it took me some >> five years to get the local municipal open data license aligned with >> OpenStreetMap. It is today and we are able import the local bus stops. >> Doesn't sound like much but we have all the phone numbers to dial to see >> when the next bus is coming. >> >> The quality of some imports made in the past has been less than ideal. >> Certainly there are places on the map that have tags saying fixme this >> village name maybe 2 kilometers out. I came across one village yesterday >> with three different names which appeared to be from three different >> imports. >> >> Today imports are challenged routinely. Locally I handled the last one >> because the person who did it before really didn't want to go through the >> aggressive challenges to the license and data quality that came from the >> import mailing list. >> >> Remember OpenStreetMap has many members, only some of whom believe that >> imports are good. Some others think if it hasn't been surveyed with a >> mapper on the ground then it shouldn't be in the map. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> yo paseopor wrote on 2020-03-17 3:15 PM: >> >> You insult me. You have said to a confined teacher (For 1st time ever, >> and it is not a joke ALL the education has been stopped in Spain sine die) >> literally: "you don't have any better to do". >> >> My first collaboration was Italy's 2015 Earthquake , in Amatrice. In 24 >> hours I was mapping first the existed buildings, from Bing or something >> like that. 24 hours later I was tagging the same buildings following >> millitary data: red destroyed, yellow ruined , green safe structures. It >> was an emergency, we had to act in that moment, with no delay. >> I talk about this in a interview in a MSF Mapathon. >> https://beteve.cat/ciencia-i-tecnologia/crear-mapes-des-de-barcelona-per-fer-mes-accessible-lassistencia-medica-a-sierra-leone/ >> >> That impacted me so much. That changed my life. Nobody's tell me, Hey! >> you don't have anything better to do (was on summer holidays). From that, >> have I gone to 9? 10 mapathons? >> >> 5 years later, in a National Emergency situation one of the "Lizard >> People" of OSM told me when I have to tried to complete the pharmacies in >> my land , with a data set with specific permission to OSM three things: >> >> 1. Nothing is urgent here >> 2. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy is missing from OSM >> 3. You sit at home with nothing else to do >> >> Tell me one reason to collaborate with HOT for Burundi or Burkina Faso if >> I can't do with Catalonia or Spain, my land, with data which we have an >> specific permission. >> >> But don't get me wrong. The problem is not the license or the discussion. >> The problem is you have offended me. I demand an apology. >> yopaseopor >> >> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:53 PM Frederik Ramm <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 2020-03-17 16:47, yo paseopor wrote: >>> > "Nothing is urgent here. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy >>> > is missing from OSM. You are just making up an urgent task because you >>> > sit at home with nothing else to do." said by Frederik Ramm to an >>> > Openstreetmap volunteer who is confined at home due to #COVID19 >>> > completing pharmacies in a zone, yesterday. >>> > >>> > Is this the way to promote HOT tasks or promote local mapping in OSM. I >>> > don't think so. >>> >>> You didn't promote local mapping, you promoted an import that has >>> meanwhile turned out to be a massive copyright violation because you >>> decided to act first and ask questions later - which is exactly the kind >>> of "help" that I am advocating against. I don't doubt your good >>> intentions, but I am certain that every single person in the >>> humanitarian sector knows that good intentions alone aren't sufficient. >>> >>> Bye >>> Frederik >>> >>> -- >>> Frederik Ramm ## eMail [email protected] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing >> [email protected]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> -- >> Sent from Postbox <https://www.postbox-inc.com> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing > [email protected]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > -- > Sent from Postbox <https://www.postbox-inc.com> >
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