I completely agree. We need more hosts who are part of HPR. Regards,
-- Kevin B. O'Brien [email protected] http://google.me/+kevinobrien http://www.google.com/profiles/Ahuka5656 http://about.me/zwilnik “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.” - Alan Moore, V for Vendetta On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 2:38 PM dnt via Hpr <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's good because with this, no one will be able to question whether > listeners are your own or HPR's, making any claims of success > irrefutable. Perhaps you're right that HPR has tended to shy away from > success in these 17 years. > > Jokes aside, I do enjoy your shows and appreciate your work to feature > guests we want to hear from, so I look forward to subscribing to your > feed and continuing to listen. > > Now for the things pertaining to HPR that we all have talked about here: > I think considering how easy it is to have your own CC-licensed podcast > by hosting it on the IA, and how well such a prospective podcaster can > be expected to host an rss feed to point to the audio files, it seems > like the only real good reason to slot one's podcast into the HPR feed > is to access HPR listeners. Then the question for the community should > be: do you want to sample new podcasts within the HPR feed? For me the > answer would tend to be no, because again, I think we should always keep > the focus on attracting new contributors, it's what sets HPR apart, and > it's the principle that should guide every decision, without exception. > It's the diversity of voices and experiences and the people who wouldn't > otherwise be a podcaster. If someone can argue that this would help > convince listeners to become contributors, then we should talk about it. > > For me, a new podcast host or hosts wanting to gain subscribers can send > a regular HPR show and let us know that if we like their vibe, they've > started their own podcast we can subscribe to, as Klaatu has done. Those > who like it will follow. > > -dnt > > On 8/19/22 00:24, Christoph Zimmermann wrote: > > Dear community, > > > > First of all, the Inlaws would like to thank the HPR community for their > > feedback over the > > years and especially the last few days. > > > > Ken is of course right in pointing out the bootstrapping argument in > > Wednesday's reply to > > Yannick's mail (although we never really defined how long this > > "bootstrapping" period > > would last). > > > > In addition to the above, the assessment of the situation in our mail from > > Wednesday > > (republished in Ken's mail): the situation from an Inlaws' perspective > > hasn't changed > > since we published our first episode in early 2020. The content is > > published exclusively > > on HPR and our RSS feed points to HPR *only*. Having said that I cannot get > > rid of that > > sinking feeling that HPR and its community shy away from success. If Ken's > > analysis > > published recently [1] is anything to go by, we are one of HPR's most > > popular podcasts > > which regularly publishes content. In addition to the fact that we are > > syndicated left, > > right and center without any involvement of our own (as we found out a > > while ago, there's, > > for example, a Youtube channel republishing the audio content and giving > > HPR credit [2]). > > > > But let's take a look at the bigger picture. If our experience never mind > > the feedback we > > are getting through official and other channels are anything to go by, > > the vast majority of our listeners couldn't care less where they get their > > episodes from. > > They heard or read about the podcast, search for the RSS feed, subscribe to > > it and if they > > like what they hear downloaded from a server, they stick with us. > > > > End of story. > > > > In this light, any discussion about wording, podcasts vs hosting platforms, > > etc. is > > academic and thus irrelevant for these listeners (playing devil's advocate > > for the above > > of course never mind ignoring bylaws, etc. :-). > > > > Of course, bylaws are bylaws and feeling that we may have overstayed our > > welcome, we are > > happy to move the content elsewhere (probably archive.org as suggested by > > Ken) which also > > has the side effect of reducing the technical debt of the corresponding > > automation > > workflow significantly. But do so with a bitter-sweet feeling as we do > > believe in the true > > spirit of FLOSS communities and their welcoming / inclusive attitude, thus > > having made > > every effort to promote HPR and its cause as part of the episodes and > > elsewhere. Which is > > in stark contrast to the wording of some of the comments posted to the HPR > > ML over the > > last couple days. > > > > On an interesting side node: HPR seems to be actively soliciting podcasts > > from other > > platforms if, for example, the case of the Grumpy Old Coders is anything to > > go by. In its > > most recent episode [3], David speaks about HPR having reached out to them > > trying to move > > them over to HPR. Given the fact that this format is hosted on a > > proprietary platform > > (Soundcloud) with their format exhibiting far more restrictive aspects (for > > example, they > > publish their content under an "All Rights Reserved" license in contrast to > > CC-BY-SA as > > preferred by HPR) and knowing David (the producer of this format) quite > > well as he has > > been one of my colleagues for the last years, it would surprise me if such > > an endeavour > > would prove to be successful. > > > > Never mind the above, the Inlaws would like to thank HPR for having us for > > the last 2.5 > > years and wish this platform (our words :-) every possible success for the > > future. But it > > may help in order to avoid similar incidents in the future to be clearer > > about syndication > > never mind what the difference is between a show, a series and a podcast as > > far as HPR is > > concerned (as the wording in [4] is somewhat terse) > > > > Cheers, The Inlaws > > > > [1] http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3648 > > [2] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1j_uaAbB3magzPs4Z0Y-mg > > [3] > > https://soundcloud.com/user-498377588/grumpy-old-coders-ep18-rollercaster > > [4] https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication > > -- > > This email account is monitored seven days a week. > > _______________________________________________ > > Hpr mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Hpr mailing list > [email protected] > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org _______________________________________________ Hpr mailing list [email protected] http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
