Good by In Laws, you'll never be as good as the Out Laws. No jokes aside. Brian-in-ohio
On 8/19/22, Kevin O'Brien <[email protected]> wrote: > I completely agree. We need more hosts who are part of HPR. > > Regards, > > > -- > Kevin B. O'Brien > [email protected] > http://google.me/+kevinobrien > http://www.google.com/profiles/Ahuka5656 > http://about.me/zwilnik > > “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be > afraid of their people.” - Alan Moore, V for Vendetta > > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 2:38 PM dnt via Hpr <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> It's good because with this, no one will be able to question whether >> listeners are your own or HPR's, making any claims of success >> irrefutable. Perhaps you're right that HPR has tended to shy away from >> success in these 17 years. >> >> Jokes aside, I do enjoy your shows and appreciate your work to feature >> guests we want to hear from, so I look forward to subscribing to your >> feed and continuing to listen. >> >> Now for the things pertaining to HPR that we all have talked about here: >> I think considering how easy it is to have your own CC-licensed podcast >> by hosting it on the IA, and how well such a prospective podcaster can >> be expected to host an rss feed to point to the audio files, it seems >> like the only real good reason to slot one's podcast into the HPR feed >> is to access HPR listeners. Then the question for the community should >> be: do you want to sample new podcasts within the HPR feed? For me the >> answer would tend to be no, because again, I think we should always keep >> the focus on attracting new contributors, it's what sets HPR apart, and >> it's the principle that should guide every decision, without exception. >> It's the diversity of voices and experiences and the people who wouldn't >> otherwise be a podcaster. If someone can argue that this would help >> convince listeners to become contributors, then we should talk about it. >> >> For me, a new podcast host or hosts wanting to gain subscribers can send >> a regular HPR show and let us know that if we like their vibe, they've >> started their own podcast we can subscribe to, as Klaatu has done. Those >> who like it will follow. >> >> -dnt >> >> On 8/19/22 00:24, Christoph Zimmermann wrote: >> > Dear community, >> > >> > First of all, the Inlaws would like to thank the HPR community for their >> > feedback over the >> > years and especially the last few days. >> > >> > Ken is of course right in pointing out the bootstrapping argument in >> > Wednesday's reply to >> > Yannick's mail (although we never really defined how long this >> > "bootstrapping" period >> > would last). >> > >> > In addition to the above, the assessment of the situation in our mail >> > from Wednesday >> > (republished in Ken's mail): the situation from an Inlaws' perspective >> > hasn't changed >> > since we published our first episode in early 2020. The content is >> > published exclusively >> > on HPR and our RSS feed points to HPR *only*. Having said that I cannot >> > get rid of that >> > sinking feeling that HPR and its community shy away from success. If >> > Ken's analysis >> > published recently [1] is anything to go by, we are one of HPR's most >> > popular podcasts >> > which regularly publishes content. In addition to the fact that we are >> > syndicated left, >> > right and center without any involvement of our own (as we found out a >> > while ago, there's, >> > for example, a Youtube channel republishing the audio content and >> > giving HPR credit [2]). >> > >> > But let's take a look at the bigger picture. If our experience never >> > mind the feedback we >> > are getting through official and other channels are anything to go by, >> > the vast majority of our listeners couldn't care less where they get >> > their episodes from. >> > They heard or read about the podcast, search for the RSS feed, subscribe >> > to it and if they >> > like what they hear downloaded from a server, they stick with us. >> > >> > End of story. >> > >> > In this light, any discussion about wording, podcasts vs hosting >> > platforms, etc. is >> > academic and thus irrelevant for these listeners (playing devil's >> > advocate for the above >> > of course never mind ignoring bylaws, etc. :-). >> > >> > Of course, bylaws are bylaws and feeling that we may have overstayed our >> > welcome, we are >> > happy to move the content elsewhere (probably archive.org as suggested >> > by Ken) which also >> > has the side effect of reducing the technical debt of the corresponding >> > automation >> > workflow significantly. But do so with a bitter-sweet feeling as we do >> > believe in the true >> > spirit of FLOSS communities and their welcoming / inclusive attitude, >> > thus having made >> > every effort to promote HPR and its cause as part of the episodes and >> > elsewhere. Which is >> > in stark contrast to the wording of some of the comments posted to the >> > HPR ML over the >> > last couple days. >> > >> > On an interesting side node: HPR seems to be actively soliciting >> > podcasts from other >> > platforms if, for example, the case of the Grumpy Old Coders is anything >> > to go by. In its >> > most recent episode [3], David speaks about HPR having reached out to >> > them trying to move >> > them over to HPR. Given the fact that this format is hosted on a >> > proprietary platform >> > (Soundcloud) with their format exhibiting far more restrictive aspects >> > (for example, they >> > publish their content under an "All Rights Reserved" license in contrast >> > to CC-BY-SA as >> > preferred by HPR) and knowing David (the producer of this format) quite >> > well as he has >> > been one of my colleagues for the last years, it would surprise me if >> > such an endeavour >> > would prove to be successful. >> > >> > Never mind the above, the Inlaws would like to thank HPR for having us >> > for the last 2.5 >> > years and wish this platform (our words :-) every possible success for >> > the future. But it >> > may help in order to avoid similar incidents in the future to be clearer >> > about syndication >> > never mind what the difference is between a show, a series and a podcast >> > as far as HPR is >> > concerned (as the wording in [4] is somewhat terse) >> > >> > Cheers, The Inlaws >> > >> > [1] http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3648 >> > [2] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1j_uaAbB3magzPs4Z0Y-mg >> > [3] >> > https://soundcloud.com/user-498377588/grumpy-old-coders-ep18-rollercaster >> > [4] https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication >> > -- >> > This email account is monitored seven days a week. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Hpr mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hpr mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > > _______________________________________________ > Hpr mailing list > [email protected] > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > _______________________________________________ Hpr mailing list [email protected] http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
