Well, this is embarrassing. When mentioning there is no documentation about
it and there is.

As mentioned in my mail, when I "discovered" this (Christmas holiday), your
enfuse reference manual was not "published"  yet and I couldn't find
documentation about the topic.
Later on (February) I started reading your document and at about 50% I got
interested in focus blending and skipped to that section thereby missing the
section about noise reduction.
After last weekend (having released ImageFuser 0.6) I got back to the "noise
reduction" and decided to write something about it.
I feel embarrassed because I have been working on your document converting
it to the wiki and I completely overlooked the section about noise
reduction. Off course, at that moment I only focussed on the conversion
itself.


2009/4/11 cspiel <[email protected]>

> Harry -
>
> On Apr 10, 7:30 pm, Harry van der Wolf <[email protected]> wrote:
> > --- snip ---
>
> > I also use enfuse quite often for noise reduction, both for normal
> photo's,
> > bracketed sets and darker panorama's.
> >
> > I can't find any documentation related to that on the web, not even on
> the
> > enblend/enfuse project home page [4], so I assume it is a little known or
> > even unknown fact.
>
> The very document you are citing, namely the new
> Enfuse documentation features a section on noise
> reduction called "6.2 Repetition – Noise Reduction":
>
>
> http://wiki.panotools.org/Enfuse_reference_manual#Repetition_.E2.80.93_Noise_Reduction
>
> And there is a section on Enfuse's weighting
> algorithm, where section "3.1.1 Weighted
> Average" in particular mentions the limiting
> case of an "arithmetic average".
>
>
> > --- snip ---
>
> > I assume this enfuse functionality is an undiscovered gem as it has never
> > been the purpose of the enfuse tool. It's just a nice side effect, and a
> > very effective one.
>
> Prior art.
>
>
> > I think it is very nice functionality. I know most camera's nowadays have
> > noise reduction systems but I find these inferior to enfuse.
>
> It is not quite fair to compare the noise
> reduction of a camera that works on just one
> image with the multi-image technique you put to
> work with Enfuse.
>
> Moreover, the in-camera noise reduction systems
> are not necessarily based on averaging or
> k-selection (read: median) algorithms.
> Dark-frame subtraction is common, though.
>


I never pretended it to be a fair comparison (as it isn't). The in-camera
noise reduction is getting better and it is handy and sometimes works well.
I didn't discuss or compare the technique (for which I'm not knowledgable
enough), I wrote about results: in-camera noise reduction is (currently)
inferior to the enfuse image stack approach. Nothing more, nothing less.



>
>
> > I assume you can even improve the result with the enfuse expert options,
> > but this is also an area I'm just beginning to discover.
>
> To my knowledge there is not even an Expert
> Option to improve on the averaging.
>
> We have several possibilities to get you closer
> to the cigar.
>
> (1) Offer different exposure weight functions.
>
> This one is easy.  On the command line, I can
> imagine something like
>    --wExposure=1.0:gaussian
>    --wExposure=1.0:double-exponential
>    --wExposure=1.0:distance
> where the part after the colon selects the
> weighting function over the normalized luminance
> interval.  Internally, the weighting functions
> already are functors...
>
> (2) Offer different weight contribution functions.
>
> Currently, we use "--SoftMask" to let contribute _every_
> pixel according to its weight ("democracy" -- well,
> kind of), and "--HardMask" where only the pixel
> with the largest weight contributes
> ("monarchy").
>
> As you might know, I plan an extension for the
> staging branch of Enblend/Enfuse
>    
> https://code.launchpad.net/~cspiel/enblend/staging<https://code.launchpad.net/%7Ecspiel/enblend/staging>
> that lets the user choose between hard mask and
> soft mask with a (quasi-)continuous parameter.
>
> I don't know whether we need (1), but hey, this
> is what "staging" is intended for: experiments,
> tests, and improvements.
>
>
> Best,
>        Chris
>


Thanks for your additional information. I just wanted to give a quick "hands
on" example. I do feel embarrassed though that I didn't do a better
"literature research" the last few days before writing my mail and example.
Especially as I have been working on the conversion of your document (as
mentioned).

Hoi,
Harry

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