Me, "I'm sure you know that *Darwin is an OSS OS*"
You, "*OS X* has moved so far beyond its Darwin roots that in my opinion it 
*is no longer open source*"

Me, [my point being OS X *was **never* open source] ". . . you're 
misinformed about Darwin and OS X. After all, *Darwin is an Apple led 
OSS effort* and OS X (Apple's complete *commercial OS, which is not OSS*) 
consists 
of a number of other software parts (some proprietary, and some not) . . .  
*all running atop Darwin*."
You, "Sounds like *OS X is proprietary*, to me* - not OSS*. It may have a 
slab of Darwin OSS beneath it, but *OS X is not Darwin*."

Did you read anything I wrote before you commented on it? :-)

John

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:30:17 AM UTC-6, GnomeNomad wrote:
>
> So to turn Darwin into OS X, we only need to add a number of other 
> items, particularly key Apple-proprietary (non-OSS) pieces. Sounds like 
> OS X is proprietary, to me - not OSS. It may have a slab of Darwin OSS 
> beneath it, but OS X is not Darwin. So OS X is no longer OSS. Doesn't 
> sound strange to me at all! 
>
> Anyway, I've used OS X (and Windows and OS/2 and Linux), too. Glad you 
> enjoy it! 
>
> On 02/19/2013 01:14 PM, JohnPW wrote: 
> > I'm sure your an expert in your bailiwick, but I think you're 
> > misinformed about Darwin and OS X. After all, Darwin is an Apple led OSS 
> > effort and OS X (Apple's complete commercial OS, which is not OSS) 
> > consists of a number of other software parts (some proprietary, and some 
> > not) such as OpenGL QuickTime, Quartz, Cocoa, and the Aqua UI, all 
> > running atop Darwin. So to say "OS X has moved so far beyond its Darwin 
> > roots that in my opinion it is no longer open source." is a strange 
> > thing to say in any of a number of ways. 
> > In any case, I applaud efforts, of all kinds, to create good software 
> > for people to use. And I love my Mac that's running OS X (which stands 
> > on the shoulders of OSS just as Linux does.) 
> > If you think Linux is the best thing since sliced bread, then more power 
> > to you. Because I think people deserve to use whatever OS they decide 
> > they like (with all the good and bad trade-offs entailed in their 
> > choice.)  :-) 
> > 
> > On Monday, February 18, 2013 1:17:07 PM UTC-6, GnomeNomad wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> >     OS X has moved so far beyond its Darwin roots that in my opinion it 
> is 
> >     no longer open source. You can't get yourself a full copy of Mac OS 
> >     X by 
> >     simply downloading the Darwin source and compiling it ... 
> > 
> >     -- 
> >     Gnome Nomad 
> >     [email protected] 
> >     wandering the landscape of god 
> >     http://www.clanjones.org/david/ <http://www.clanjones.org/david/> 
> >     http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ 
> >     <http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/> 
> >     http://www.cafepress.com/otherend/ <
> http://www.cafepress.com/otherend/> 
>
>
> -- 
> Gnome Nomad 
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> wandering the landscape of god 
> http://www.clanjones.org/david/ 
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> http://www.cafepress.com/otherend/ 
>

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