Hi Linda, Okay, I will remove the reference to the Capability Information Model draft. Patrick and I are reflecting the comments of the IESG (e.g., Benjamin Kaduk, Barry Leiba, Éric Vyncke, Erik Kline, Magnus Westerlund, Murray Kucherawy, and Alvaro Retana).
I will be able to post the revised version by October 21, 2020. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:35 AM Linda Dunbar <[email protected]> wrote: > I2nsf WG, > > > > There has been any objection to the Author’s request for sunsetting the > draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-05. > > > > Authors of the draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model: please remove the > reference to the Capability Information Model and upload a new draft. We > can ask IESG to re-review it. > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Linda & Yoav. > > > > *From:* Linda Dunbar > *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2020 11:00 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities > Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF > Capability Data model draft? > > > > I2NSF WG, > > > > As Diego has expressed that the original I2NSF capability information > model was based on a policy expression calculus suitable for manipulating > high-level policy expressions. The capability data model has been evolving > in a quite reasonable and pragmatic way, including running code at the > hackathons. > > > > The I2NSF Capability Information Model has fulfilled its purpose of > kickstarting and guiding the data model, and the authors believe that it is > better to let the capability information model to be withdrawn. For the > content in the information model still relevant to I2NSF Capability Data > Model, they should be merged into the Capability Data Model. > > > > Is there any objection from the WG? If we don’t hear any objection by Oct > 5, we will change the status of the draft. > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Linda & Yoav > > > > > > > > *From:* Diego R. Lopez <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 5:35 PM > *To:* Linda Dunbar <[email protected]>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < > [email protected]> > *Cc:* Xialiang (Frank) <[email protected]>; Yoav Nir < > [email protected]>; John Strassner <[email protected]>; Aldo > Basile <[email protected]>; Roman Danyliw <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities > Information Model Draft > > > > Hi Linda, > > > > I’d prefer the second option, as it seems more straightforward and natural > to me, and in parallel would like you to consider the idea of an I2NSF > extension allowing us to reuse the capability model for policy-control > transformation, and to incorporate the attestation matters you know I was > so much interested in. > > > > Be goode, > > > > -- > > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" > > > > Dr Diego R. Lopez > > Telefonica I+D > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr2lopez/ > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdr2lopez%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864949633&sdata=ROR4%2FyD1WqWDb1rCbJx3ERqTiMCQ92ibkyz26kYZdD8%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > e-mail: [email protected] > > Tel: +34 913 129 041 > > Mobile: +34 682 051 091 > > ---------------------------------- > > > > On 22/09/2020, 18:01, "Linda Dunbar" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Diego: > > > > Thank you very much for the reflection of the Capabilities Information > Model Draft. Agree with your statement that “the capability data model was > evolving in a quite reasonable and pragmatic way, including running code at > the hackathons”. > > > > Looks like Eric Vyncke still wants the information model to be fixed to > clear his “DISCUSS” ballot. > > How about the following steps: > > - Ask Roman’s advice if we can simplify the Information Model > mainly to reflect what has been in the Data Model. > > - Or, drop the Information model draft and remove the refence to > the draft, but Roman has to convince Eric to agree not having the > information model. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Linda > > > > > > *From:* Diego R. Lopez <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 9:50 AM > *To:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[email protected]>; Linda Dunbar < > [email protected]> > *Cc:* Xialiang (Frank) <[email protected]>; Yoav Nir < > [email protected]>; John Strassner <[email protected]>; Aldo > Basile <[email protected]>; Roman Danyliw <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities > Information Model Draft > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Before you go for it, let me share with you some reflections on the state > of the draft, in the spirit of what I replied to Eric Vyncke. > > > > I must confess there has been a combination of events that made me think > the best solution was to leave this draft to fade away. First, I was not > (have not been yet) able to find a solution to most of Roman’s comments > without totally rewriting most, if not all, of the document. Second, the > fact that the capability data model was evolving in a quite reasonable and > pragmatic way, including running code at the hackathons, following the > spirit of the initial work in the information model, but not attempting to > align with its most recent evolution. If I have not shared this position > before is because I have been looking for a way to make the idea of > bridging capability declarations and security policy statements at the > I2NSF controller viable, and I was hoping to find such a way by reusing > part of the capability info model draft. > > > > As I told Eric, I believe the current capability model has a powerful > (though probably not yet complete) calculus for policy description and > validation, but not directly related to the management mechanisms addressed > in the capability data model and the other data models produced in I2NSF. I > believe there is an opportunity for accomplishing policy-capability > bridging, using as foundation the current capability model, though it seems > to me that this task would require some time to consolidate and therefore > imply an extension of the I2NSF lifetime. I would like to know your > position(*) about such an extension, that could also become an opportunity > to work in other matters related to attestation (in the light of the work > in RATS and the MUD initiative within the Ops Area) and accounting. > > > > Be goode, > > > > (*) I assume you are in favor, Paul. But I’d like to get Linda’s, Yoav’s > and Roman’s ideas, as well as the availability to work on this from Frank, > John and Aldo. > > > > -- > > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" > > > > Dr Diego R. Lopez > > Telefonica I+D > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr2lopez/ > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdr2lopez%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864949633&sdata=ROR4%2FyD1WqWDb1rCbJx3ERqTiMCQ92ibkyz26kYZdD8%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > e-mail: [email protected] > > Tel: +34 913 129 041 > > Mobile: +34 682 051 091 > > ---------------------------------- > > > > On 17/09/2020, 01:42, "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Hi Linda, > > I will address our AD Roman's comments on this NSFs capabilities > information draft as the 2nd editor through the collaboration with Frank > (the 1st editor) and the other authors. > > > > I CC our AD Roman and the other authors, such as John and Cataldo. > > > > Thanks for your support and guidance. > > > > Best Regards, > > Paul > > > > 2020년 9월 17일 (목) 오전 3:44, Linda Dunbar <[email protected]>님이 작성: > > Paul, > > > > Thank you very much for offering to address the AD comments to this draft. > Looks like the current authors are too busy to address those comments. It > has been over a year since the AD comments were given. We need to move the > draft forward. Therefore, I2NSF chairs have authorized you to be one of the > editors to address the AD comments and revise the draft. > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Linda & Yoav > > > > > > *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:09 AM > *To:* Xialiang (Frank) <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Linda Dunbar <[email protected]>; Yoav Nir < > [email protected]>; DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA <[email protected]>; > Jaehoon Jeong <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities > Information Model Draft > > > > Hi Frank, > > Could I help you to revise your information model draft for our AD Roman > Danyliw's review comments as a co-editor? > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability/?include_text=1 > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-i2nsf-capability%2F%3Finclude_text%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7C08a48858d7bd4d843a6e08d85f47b438%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637364108864959626&sdata=GUrbaYu2Q4N1YNUUet2oVRPqbynA78cSBTf%2FBeSCY44%3D&reserved=0> > > > > As you know, I have finished our I2NSF data model drafts. > > > > I am happy to work on the revision with you in order to complete our I2NSF > deliverables. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Paul > > > ------------------------------ > > > Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, > puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso > exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. 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