On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, > > thanks from me to Jecel for clarifications too! > > On Friday 07 November 2008 19:45, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > The Squeak image "Etoys" (the only one currently packaged officially for > > Debian) is in "non-free" due to ftpmasters judging it not possible for > > the security team to maintain throughout the (multiple year long) > > lifespan of a Debian release. > > IIRC/IIUC this is one aspect why the ftpmasters didnt accept it in main. > More > generally said, (IIRC) it's because the impossibility to bootstrap etoys. > Even though the etoys developers "don't do it" and the stateful VM (or > rather > patches to it) is/are the prefered form of modification. > > And while I dont agree with the position they are taking (should I > say, "anymore"..) I can understand why they do: because it makes sense and > (probably also) because this is like it always was: traditional software > has > to have the ability to be bootstrapped or build. > > Squeak is special in this case and I dare to say "new". (I know it was > started > in the 70ties :) But not all people do.) > > So my planned approach to get it into main in the long run, is to start a > general discussion in Debian about this kind of software, thus stopping to > special case squeak. > > But as you might know (or not), Debian is in the process of releasing Lenny > atm, so I don't think it's a good time to start philosophical discussions > now. We should rather concentrate on fixing those last bugs and getting > Lenny > out, so that we concentrate again on fancy new stuff! :) > > > I was also happy to read Greg Dekoenigsberg mail in this tread and wonder > the > same: whether there are any lessons that can be shared between Fedora and > Debian maintainers in this case. And how. My approach is to create a > comprehensible document (quoted by Jonas in this thread) explaining the > issue(s). > Holger, Thanks for taking the time to think about and explain this issues clearly from a packager/distribution point of view. david > > > regards, > Holger > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [email protected] > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >
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