-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 01:47:16PM -0800, Alan Kay wrote: >So the only misconception I saw in the last few exchanges was part of a >lot of correct conclusions by Holger. The misconception was: "it's >because the impossibility to bootstrap etoys." > >Etoys can be easily bootstrapped over and over (and Squeak can be >bootstrapped over and over) but it is done using the tools and UIs and >sources supplied in Squeak
I understand from above that the term "bootstrapping" has a broader meaning. I believe that Debian ftpmasters mean that it is not possible to bootstrap using classic Linux/Unix/Posix tools. (I do not intend to be exact above - I am only a modest hacker, not educated in the exact terms here!) >some people think their way is the only way and that any other way just >has to be wrong and inferior. I believe Debian ftpmasters do not consider the Squeak approach to source and bootstrapping wrong or inferior. On the contrary, Debian can be seen as "inferior" in the sense that it can only properly deal with one approach to handling source and bootstrapping. For Debian to dare take responsibility for maintaining stuff like Squeak in "main", I believe it is not enough to convince the ftpmasters that the world is not flat. Debian need people skilled in dealing with "a round world", so that if issues occur - like security flaws reveiled which might need quick action and perhaps even discretely from a small group - those people in charge are _able_ to deal with the issues, and understand if their fixes are reliable. Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkUxCwACgkQn7DbMsAkQLgp4wCfanEQZz1AYMy1sp9hI935xy/A cAYAnjnSLdKFuBzzLzYvC21LR0+0T0Y9 =Lck7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
