Dave,

Your "ageism" is showing.

Caryl (age 79 years young)

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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 17 June 2016 at 01:17, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 2016-06-17 12:07 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>:
>>> 
>>>> On 16 June 2016 at 13:49, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>>> Great news Dave! hopefully more and more OLPC members will join the 
>>>> conversation on the IEP list.
>>> 
>>> Sadly, I must admit that I do not expect anyone at OLPC to join this list.
>> 
>> Could you please explain why? 
> 
> Most adults do not 'get' internet culture: They do not participate on the net 
> any more than they have to, beyond connecting with friends and family they 
> know face to face. There is no participation in any online communities; they 
> do not understand why discussing with strangers on the internet could be 
> valuable - it is just a waste of time, from their perspective, and they weigh 
> the downsides - not only having their ideas and ideologies criticised, but 
> often personally attacked - much heavier than we (we who do participate) do. 
> 
> In working with teams at both small and large companies over the years, 
> despite working on tech products directly related to the internet, I have met 
> _many_ people who have no interest in internet culture. There is nothing 
> about them online. They have their families, their sports/social clubs, their 
> TV magazines and other "old media";  they perform labour that they learned to 
> do in their early 20s at college, and learn new aspects of their work through 
> training courses that their employer provides. 
> 
> And this is only my impression, but it is my impression that the company 
> culture at OLPC Inc today is one of mainstream normality: good, friendly, 
> kind people who work in their office diligently at regular hours, and are not 
> obsessed with their work, and do not take their work home with them, and have 
> zero patience for anything other that professional, courteous interactions, 
> that involved respected lines of authority. 
> 
> I have this impression not from speaking with Leah, but by browsing their web 
> properties - homepage, wiki, mailing lists, etc - which are all very old, and 
> not updated this year (except the blog) - and their total absence not only 
> from recent discussions but the archives too. 
>  
>>>>> - OLPC offered XO-1.75 and XO-4 upgrade kits in the past, to upgrade 
>>>>> XO-1s, but they didn't sell that well; she agreed with Tony's assessment 
>>>>> that users will run the XO-1 until it fails, and OLPC has no EOL date in 
>>>>> mind
>>>>> 
>>>>> - OLPC is still offering XO-4s (touch and non-touch) with a minimum order 
>>>>> of 100 units through the end of this year for sure, and has a few units 
>>>>> in stock in Miami if anyone wants to buy just one or two; and Leah said 
>>>>> they could look into updating the laptop.org website to make the offer 
>>>>> public
>>>> 
>>>> I belive SL business is the software We should not pay for any hardware 
>>>> (besides the servers) that must be provided from PC manufacturers for 
>>>> development ans testing. We already have experience with Intell locally.
>>> 
>>> You do not think SL should offer hardware to developers to raise funds?
>> 
>> Can you also please explain what is what you are proposing? 
> 
> I think SL should offer hardware to developers to raise funds, and to make 
> these developers more effective at meeting the needs of Sugar users, the 
> majority of which are XO-1 users.
>  
>>>>> - OLPC is now also offering a newer model, a classmate-spec machine, and 
>>>>> will send me details about this; its rugged and branded but not got the 
>>>>> pixel qi screen. 
>>>>> - OLPC only ships Sugar, and is very happy with it, and wants to support 
>>>>> the developer community although isn't sure how to so;
>>>> 
>>>> And we are very happy supporting the OLPCs too. We would like to continue 
>>>> doing so in a sustainable way for active members. We should let them know, 
>>>> we are developing a thematic fund structure for OLPC and other "investors" 
>>>> to be able to directorate the resources into specific projects.
>>> 
>>> I agree that they ought to be one of the many companies we approach for 
>>> funding in the future :) 
>>  
>> I read from your email they are ready to "support the developer community" 
>> so let's not keep everybody waiting! 
>> 
>> :D
> 
> What are the concrete next steps to take along that path?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> Dave
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