And, if someone builds an anti-virus program for z/OS, please tell me before 
you 
announce it publicly.  I know some out-source companies I would like to buy 
stock in because MIPS are going way up.

Lloyd



----- Original Message ----
From: David Cole <dbc...@colesoft.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Tue, March 27, 2012 1:01:34 PM
Subject: Re: Malicious Software Protection

At 3/27/2012 11:19 AM, Pinnacle wrote:
> There is a mainframe product that protects against malicious software. It's 
>called SAF, and it interfaces with ESM's like RACF, or ACF2, or TopSecret.

"SAF" is not a product. It stands for "System Access Facility" and it is 
nothing 
more than an interface within z/OS into which a security system (such as ACF2, 
TopSecret and any ryo security system) can plug into to receive and respond to 
security calls. It really has nothing to do with anti-virus protection. For 
more 
information, see 
"<http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.zsecurity/zsecc_030.htm>http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.zsecurity/zsecc_030.htm
 "






> It [z/OS] is the only operating system out there with built-in anti-virus 
>protection. On top of that, the hardware itself actively protects against 
>damage 
>through storage keys, protected memory, etc.
> You have to explain to the auditors that anti-virus software is not needed on 
>z/OS, because it's intrinsic to the operating system and the hardware.

I think you seriously misunderstand what a virus is...

Yes, z/OS has exceptional security (and integrity and reliability) features for 
protecting against non-authorized programs. But I must emphasize... 
-->NON<--authorized programs!

When it comes to AUTHORIZED programs, z/OS's integrity (which is what you are 
talking about with "storage keys" and such) is very good, but of course not 
bulletproof. Worse though, when it comes to SECURITY, there are some real 
problems! Because with the proper knowledge, it is TRIVIALLY EASY FOR AN 
AUTHORIZED PROGRAM TO SUBVERT SECURITY COMPLETELY!

This is what mainframers constantly forget regarding security. For authorized 
programs there is no security. All that is necessary for a malicious program to 
do is to Trojan-horse its way (with the AC(1) attribute) into an authorized 
library, and you're done for!

This is something I've brought up on this listserv from time to time before. In 
particular, for more information, please read a prior post of mine at 
"<https://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0608&L=IBM-MAIN&P=R63457&I=-3&X=6EB01556E36E4D9CAC&Y=dbcole%40colesoft.com&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches>https://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0608&L=IBM-MAIN&P=R63457&I=-3&X=6EB01556E36E4D9CAC&Y=dbcole%40colesoft.com&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches
 ".

And please... stop confusing security with integrity. They are not the same. 
The 
"hardware protections" that so many people mention are not security 
protections, 
they are integrity protections. They help to keep careless programs from 
accidentally breaking things. When it comes to authorized programs, these 
"hardware protections" offer no protection at all!






As far as I know there is no serious anti-virus program for mainframes. I 
believe strongly that there needs to be one, but I don't know of one. And at 
this stage of the mainframe culture, I would be seriously suspicious of the 
efficacy of any program that claimed to be anti-virus. I don't think that a 
serious mainframe anti-virus program can exist unless and until IBM itself 
makes 
a commitment to support an effort to make the mainframe anti-virus proof.


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