I am seeing the exact phenomenon here.  We're looking at "upgrading"
from a 7060-H50 to a z890-140 which are basically the same horsepower.
I have one ISV - not Computer Associates - who is charging me a $30000+
upgrade fee and increasing my annual maintenance by about 15% for a
horizontal upgrade.  Their excuse is that since my old box is a
Multiprise box, they gave me a discount on the software and they're just
now charging what the software is actually worth.  Unfortunately it is a
3rd party IDMS tool that doesn't have much competition so they have us
over the proverbial barrel.

Rex

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mainframe & Evil


>From: "Chase, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Last upgrade in my small shop cost for just ISV software was 
> > $300,000 in just upgrade fees.  I didn't need to change one piece of

> > code.  That's hard to defend.
>
>To put it bluntly, it's indefensible.
>
>     -jc-
>

Gouging by ISV's is a large part of the reason why mainframes are seen
by 
many as being uncompetitive. It has to stop. Fortunately, IBM has
realized 
this and has started competing directly against some of the "offending" 
ISV's with products of its own. Witness for example the new line of IBM
File 
Manager products, which generally cost a fraction of what it costs to 
license competing ISV products.

Having said that, not all ISV's try to gouge their customers. I know of
at 
least one ISV that charges a remarkably low flat rate for all of their 
software, regardless of size or speed of mainframe.

Dave Salt

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