John,
Om my z/OS 1.7 system, (which is not customized), I have both vi and vim
in /bin
The vim is version 6.3, which is the same as I run on my PC.
Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
  

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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:02 AM
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Subject: Re: What part of z/OS is the OS?

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> > 
> > Can you use z/OS without TSO?
> 
> Why, sure!  E.g. my Linux guests can still reach over to DB2 on z/OS 
> if you take down TSO.  I don't think that makes the OS useless.
> I can access
> my files with NFS.
> 
> It's true, I wouldn't want to configure a z/OS system without TSO, but

> it's just one of the interfaces.  I have slowly fading nightmares of 
> CARDS and KEY PUNCHES before I was ever introduced to a 3270 and 
> TSO....  :-)
> 
> Alan Altmark

And even though it is "perverse", I'm trying to see how much I can get
done from a UNIX shell in z/OS without using TSO at all. OK, not too
much right now. I'm too stuck on things like SDSF. And the vi editor
which comes with z/OS is not very good, compared to the vim that I'm
used to on Linux/Intel. I've really made myself a PAIN over on MVS-OE
wanting things in z/OS UNIX simply to make like easier in a "UNIX shell"
environment.

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