Today, I see these two used interchangeably. I've even seen title changes from one to the other in the same shop when HR decided to review everyone's job titles and such.
I still prefer plain ol' Systems Programmer over all the titles I've had. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html On Wed, 9 May 2007 08:04:08 -0700, Steve Samson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Bruce, > >I would regard SP as the "inside" job, designing, writing, testing, and >integrating code to accomplish some well-defined purpose. An SE would be >on the interface between "inside" and "outside", meeting with TPTB and >the end users to arrive at a set of specs that would then be reviewed >and/or revised with the SP to assess cost and schedule, thus defining >the purpose of the SP's effort. > >In the dawn of history, an SE was the IBM sales team member who would >provide on-site training and act as the level 1 contact for solving >problems. By 1965 the SE became not much more than the guy you called to >order manuals, as all of them with half a brain were pulled into the >S/360 development effort. > >Just my opinion and recollections... > >Steve Samson > >Bruce McKnight wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> What is the difference between a systems engineer and a systems >> programmer? I'm referring to the tradtional tech support staff members >> in a regular company using mainframes for business purposes, not ISV >> software houses or the like. It seems from the job postings I've seen, >> there is no real consensus on the job title for our role. >> >> I've seen a lot of job postings that don't align with what we do as >> well. One job posting said "MVS Systems Programmer" but it was clearly >> for an applications development role. "MVS Systems Administrator" has >> shown up a few times with a role definition that was nearly a 100% >> match. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
