I suppose you're right now that I think of it a bit.  I also used QMF many 
years ago (from TSO) and it seems I gave them the benefit of the doubt.  I 
naturally assumed they wrote it as a full screen TSO application so that a) it 
would run from TSO without needing ISPF, and b) so that they could have better 
control over the interface.  

Perhaps that was true to some extent back then, but I wonder how true it is now?

Lindy

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Kenneth E Tomiak
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Subject: Re: What do you call something like QMF?
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I consider myself lucky not to have had to support QMF in many years, when I 
did, I thought it also ran under CICS. IIRC, that would be the reason it was 
not an ISPF application. Once developers get the notion to run in multiple 
environments, they want to ignore environment specific technologies in order 
to use the same code base. QMF did not sell enough graphics capable 
terminals so complaints must have poured in to remove the GDDM overhead.

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