> No trace tables, no Messages and Codes, No SAG, no MANUALS PERIOD. (If there are I sure have not heard of any), NO CLASSES (IBM) (Steve here is your que). Especially no debugging classes (big call to Steve), It should would embarrass IBM to have a 3rd party offer something. IBM has let loose a product nobody can put their hands on. This is extremely unlike IBM, if this is the future I hate to say it maybe its time for the MF to die. >
There is documentation, just follow the link below which has been in every one of my emails (at the bottom). Just because you cannot find it does not mean it is not there, an all too familiar misconception I am afraid. If you can offer something constructive as to how to make it more prominent, then please say and I will pass that on. IBM has full control of the product, I can assure you, but I have a feeling that you are already committed in your mind to ignore everything I say despite the fact that I am in the JTC and I can see exactly what is going on. I seem to remember more than a hint of sarcasm about the PC, if the MF dies what will replace it? If you search hard enough you will find that a very large % of the daily business activity is handled by the good old MF, and WAS (and hence Java) is now a very popular product. > That still doesn't sound like the traditional IBM any old time (IMO) would have made a method o this apparent madness for debugging purposes when this is let (wait its too kate) go to the customer. What I am understanding from your writing there is no way to debug this monster and we are essentially buying a pig in a poke. Don't ever open a PMR as it will certainly never be closed (with a fix). > You do not seem to have grasped at all what I have been saying, maybe you need to sit back and read it again carefully. I have been discussing the way Sun designed Java and its evolution, and how IBM MUST conform or it will never be useable. What is certain is that Java will continue to be one of the leading languages out there, and you may just have to accept that. As for "Don't ever open a PMR as it will certainly never be closed (with a fix)." Can you substantiate that with fact? If not it might be wiser not to say such things. So far in this thread I have tried to offer logical and reasoned arguments for my point of view based on facts not surmise nor lack of knowledge, I think that this will be my last word on the subject now as I sense this is a hopeless cause. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Poil Java z/OS Level 3 Service IBM United Kingdom Limited, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN Internal: 246824 External: +44 (0)1962 816824 Java debugging: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/diagnosis/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
