> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Savor, Tom
>
> >> And I dislike application folks who won't test in my sandbox then
> complain when
> >> things blow up the first few days after a roll-up.
>
> >> An impasse?
>
> That was the point.
>
> I understand that you guys are very smart folks, but you guys
> LOVE to point all problems at application folks....its tiresome.
>From "the other side of the fence", it is equally tiresome when "you
folks" "point all problems" at systems folks.
<anecdote>
A few years ago during "acceptance testing" of a z/OS upgrade, an
application group reported that their application (an ISV product, btw)
was abending in one of the two CICS regions in which it ran. After
several hours of dump/trace analysis and several calls to the product
vendor's support center, it was discovered that one of several
interdependent product load modules was "back-level" in the abending
region. After some "pointed" questions about that inconsistency, they
finally "admitted" to having botched the backout of a test change
package. When they corrected that inconsistency, the abends stopped.
</anecdote>
-jc-
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