Bill,
Exactly what I need to hear about its scope.

About the documentation, my older CICS NT documentation taught me about:
start cicsrun
. . to start CICS, but I never did find how to successfully add -userid -password -tansactionID parms thus automatically invoking the transaction my software just generated - big nuisance. Would also like to trigger some kind of script that would automatically run thru some of the BMS screens just to make sure all looked OK - just a fishing trip:-).

and to compile my Cobol/XCICS pgms I use:
set tempmem=on
cob2 %1.cbl -qlib,xref,ssrange,nosequence,map,trunc(bin) -g -Ie:\conrad\temcc -Ic:\copylibg

If RDz documentation does describe both of the above, for the time being, this is sufficient. But the start cicsrun with parms would sure be a bonus - I hope it's there.

As for NOT being the target audience, it seems then that many of us must be used to that:-(

Merci beaucoup pour l'info.

Graham

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:53 PM
Subject: RDz


Both officially and unofficially, MANY people have communicated to IBM that
WSED, then WDz, then RDz are VERY poorly documented or marketed to those
doing mainframe (or PC) development for the mainframe (or PC) but WITHOUT a
z/OS connection.

NOT speaking for IBM, it appears that the IBM "internal" business case is
for this product (line) to be for sites with mainframes and mainframe
connections.

Everyone (that I have ever talked to) says it CAN be used for PC stand-alone development (for PC apps) or for mainframe apps - but that simply is NOT the
target audience.  You need to be aware that this is NOT just a "marketing"
documentation issue. You will find the same "problem" (issue?) once you get
the actual product documentation.

"Graham Hobbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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Brian,

Will contact you offline. Thanks.

But while I'm online I will put out a small plea to IBM - all the websites

about RDz are totally oriented to the big guns, the monied shops, the
'HOST'. Well I don't have a HOST.

I'd really like to see just one site that deals with the guy who wants to
run with the likes of RDz but just on a PC - what I would get for the
$800,
how much like my old mainframe world can I recreate. I like that stuff, I
know it, am retired and I'd sure like to pursue some ideas. The likes of
VB,
Java, .Net etc don't yet cut it for me, one day probably, but right now
give
me Cobol and CICS and I'll do stuff.

Same goes for MF, and who else?

Peev done.

Graham

----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Westerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: RDz


> Hi,
>
> If you send me your address off line, I'll download the RDz files for
the
> trial and send them to you.  I have a T1, so it will only take a very
> short
> amount of time to download. I can DHL them to you and you can have > them

> the
> next day, or USPS Priority Mail in 2 days. The files in total appear > to

> be
> about 6.98GB so they will fit on one Double layer DVD or two regular
ones,
> whichever you prefer.
>
> Do you have access to a mainframe (or z/os under Hercules) to be able > to
> install the operating system side of things?
>
> Also, you can access a DB/2 platform (if you have one), and you do have
> access via file manager to VSAM files as well, I had to look at the
> product
> specs to be sure.
>
> Brian

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