The xenophobia disappears quickly enough. Once we had some experience with
a number of offshore contractors (UK, Eastern Europe, India, China) we
discovered that the talent level is the same bell curve we have here. A few
truly talented folks, a few really unskilled folks and the large bell in
between. People are people all over, some you like, some you don't. Some
make your work easier, some harder. Their origin and location is
irrelevant.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...
So,
you really think that, if one is not north american, a US citzen, then
he/she has less skills??
I think of it as a xenophobic problem.
Actually, I realy think that, because of all the problems we have here in
Brazil, where I live (I can't comment about India, as I don't know) such as
lack of formal training or base education, we learned to study by ourselves
and for what I see here people are very competent.
I have been there in the US and talk to a friend of mine who lives there
see that the problem there is a bad circle: companies start to out source
because people stop studing IT, and people stop studing IT because of the
outsourcing.
I am not saying that we are better... I just want to say that it's
different.
Ricardo.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Pinnacle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> In a message dated 6/12/2008 10:47:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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>>> Sorry, but I think you are making it very wide.
>>
>> I disagree, if by "wide" you mean exaggerating the problem.
>>
>>> Some companies really give up on hiring from inside the Country
>>> moving
>>
>> the services to overseas, but people overseas are almost as skilled
>> or even more skilled. They are just cheaper.
>>
>> No disagreement with this.
>>
>
> Actually, huge disagreement with this. The OP clearly shows that
> people overseas are not as skilled (even more skilled? That's a
> joke). Cheaper, sure, but you get what you pay for. Communications
> of the ACM (CACM) just had a study of offshoring, and one of the dirty
> little secrets right now is that wages in India are increasing, and
> people are jumping companies in search of the next rupee (similar to
> what was going on here throughout the 80's and early 90's). CACM
> reports that offshore turnover negatively impacts companies because
> they're constantly retraining personnel. They won't stay cheaper for
> long, as it is beginning to dawn on many Indians that there is
> intrinsic value to what they provide. TATA et al. will milk the tit
> for as long as they can, but you can't hold back people who want a US
standard of living. I could go on, but that's enough of a rant for one day.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Conley
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