Peter

> telnet daemon / inet daemon listening port (623 or 1023 are widely used)

... although they don't have to be since VIPAs and the PORT list BIND 
parameter are there to allow use of port 23 for access using the z/OS UNIX 
TELNET server to z/OS UNIX as well as using port 23 to access the TN3270 
server. Then, with the aid of your preferred name to IP address translation, 
you can access either TELNET server by name.

What's this "over 3270"? Where did that idea come from? And what's "raw 
mode"?[1] Perhaps there's some reflection here of the thorough confusion IBM 
has created - as they do again and again - by calling the original z/OS TELNET 
function the TN3270 server when it also quite happily - and with not a whiff of 
3270 in sight - supports the "network terminal" protocol - otherwise known 
as "line mode" or LINEMODE. A cleverer and more technically accurate name 
would be the TELNET SNA gateway server. This would distinguish it from the 
z/OS UNIX TELNET server which abjures SNA!

How would you describe a 'full-mode' tn3270 client? Perhaps a client which 
completely emulates being a TN3270 client with support for minimally 3277 
level of 3270 data stream support?

[1] The only "raw" I know in the Communications Server IP component is in 
the terminology used to differentiate using TCP or UDP from some 
other "transport" protocol such as ICMP.

Chris Mason

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:03:20 +0200, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>TSO TELNET is not a TN3270 client, it supoprts only line mode.
>
>If you telnet to the foreign host's TN3270 server listening
>port (23 usualkly) you'll be able to login into TSO line mode.
>ISPF would not work, since it requires full screen mode (afaik,
>I haven't tried in a while).
>
>If you telnet to the foreogn host's telnet daemon / inet daemon
>listening port (623 or 1023 are widely used), you'll be able to
>login into a z/OS UNIX shell. Note that this still is line mode
>"over 3270", no raw mode. It behaves more like TSO OMVS than
>"real" telnet from another UNIX box (or WINDOW$ or Mac).
>
>I don't know if there is a full-mode TN3270 client that could
>be installed on z/OS.
>
>--
>Peter Hunkeler
>CREDIT SUISSE

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