Peter

Thanks for the clarification.

> You don't have this raw mode available in TSO OMVS shell sessions and you 
don't have it in TSO TELNET shell sessions.

I was going to say "I fear that there is a risk that you may be wrong again :-( 
and you're not taking me with you this time :-)" - but see later.

Here is what I found searching on "raw" in the CS IP Configuration 
Guide, "Configuring the z/OS UNIX Telnet server":

<quote>

The z/OS UNIX Telnet server runs in both line mode and raw mode, but does 
not support TN3270 or TN3270E, as the TN3270E Telnet server does.

</quote>

However, you were talking about the TELNET command under TSO which I 
guess doesn't allow the generation or interpretation of the characters 
necessary to drive many clever UNIX functions in the way that the usual, say 
PC-based, TELNET clients do.

Chris Mason

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:46:36 +0200, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>What's this "over 3270"? Where did that idea come from?
>
>I just coined this term trying to describe that logging into a UNIX
>server
>from TSO telnet does bring you into line mode in UNIX. Probably a
>misnomer.
>I suggest we just forget about it ;-)
>
>>And what's "raw mode"?
>
>When logging into a server using telnet (not talking about TN3270 here),
>
>you initially are place into line mode. Certain utilites like vi need
>another mode, called raw mode, to be able to run. You don't have this
>raw mode available in TSO OMVS shell sessions and you don't have it
>in TSO TELNET shell sessions.
>
>--
>Peter Hunkeler
>Credit Suisse

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