Got burned because someone setup automation to escalate a P TCAS to a 
FORCE TCAS if it didn't come down in a timely fashion.

Operations inadvertenly issued a P TCAS  during the day and didn't respond 
to FSTOP.

Automation eventually did a FORCE TCAS. 

Ended up IPL'ing to clean that up.

Then had the Operations Analyst responsible for Automation get into an 
argument with me when I said you can't do that.  His rational was  because 
that was the way he was told to escalate things.

Thanks

Bill Bishop

Specialist
Mainframe Support Group
Server Development & Support
Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America, Inc.
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Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?






Anyone got burned by issuing the Force command (without ARM) and had to 
re-ipl? 

I myself have had issued FORCE without ARM to terminate a rogue batch job 
that just wont budge using repeated CANCEL and KILL.  I've been fortunate 
that night to not have had to re-IPL our system.

 

z/OS 1.9 FORCE COMMAND WARNING
"Consider using the FORCE command as a last resort when the CANCEL 
command still fails to perform its function after you have issued it 
several 
times."

Gone is the other warning that states: (circa 1996)
Never use the FORCE command without understanding that - After issuing 
FORCE, you might have to re-IPL."  << something to that effect.

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