I've had some seemingly good results by issuing a cancel three times,
waiting about a minute between each command. Almost like each cancel
takes out a layer. 

But I do agree that a appearance of hung can be, for example, the
closing of many, many open files. So my observed results might have been
just the same had I simply waited. However, doing -something- seems to
comfort frantic management :-)    

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Glen Gasior
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?

If a cancel appears not to be working one thing I would do is reset the
job
being canceled into a high resource service class. Sometimes tasks that
appear to be hung are instead slow.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:58 PM, rdeguz1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyone got burned by issuing the Force command (without ARM) and had
to
> re-ipl?
>
> I myself have had issued FORCE without ARM to terminate a rogue batch
job
> that just wont budge using repeated CANCEL and KILL.  I've been
fortunate
> that night to not have had to re-IPL our system.
>
>
>
> z/OS 1.9 FORCE COMMAND WARNING
> "Consider using the FORCE command as a last resort when the CANCEL
> command still fails to perform its function after you have issued it
> several
> times."
>
> Gone is the other warning that states: (circa 1996)
> Never use the FORCE command without understanding that - After issuing
> FORCE, you might have to re-IPL."  << something to that effect.
>


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