As far as "no batch" on non-mainframe platforms, I agree with you that it is 
pretty much a matter of verbiage and available toolset.  Having worked with 
both AIX and HP-UX over the past 10 years, they don't have the initiator 
concept.  As coming out of the box, *NIX systems simply throw work at the box 
until it is buried.  Unless you specifically "background" a task, when you run 
a script it ties up your terminal session, whether it be for a transaction or a 
task that updates millions of rows in a database.  That is why many of the 
software product vendors have their own schedulers built in.  In addition, some 
of the scheduler vendors run just fine in *NIX/Windows.  BMC's Control-M (I'm 
not endorsing it, just saying it has this capability) can run schedules across 
the environment, with a job on the mainframe triggering a  job on another 
platform, then pass control back to a mainframe job once the work is done on 
the other platform.

Rex


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Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: X86 server

The confusion about "no batch" may be because of a lack of something akin to 
the "initiator" and SPOOL. Well, I guess the output part of the "SPOOL" concept 
could be something like the files in /var/spool/lpq (in my Linux) subdirectory. 
I'm not really UNIX literate about AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, et al. On most Linux 
distros, there is definitely no "initiator". There is "crontab" and "at" to 
schedule background tasks. The only "job scheduling" software that I've ever 
heard of is "The Portable Batch System"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Batch_System
I have no idea how this compares to something like CA-7 or Tivoli. Oh, there is 
also "icron" to schedule background tasks based on creation, update, or 
deletion of files. At least on Linux. I don't know if other systems have the 
"inotify" interface.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Mark van der Eynden
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:46 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: X86 server
>
> > The elimination of batch which seems to be feasible on non-mainframe
> > architectures alone is a killer.
>
> There is no elimination of batch, anywhere.
>
> It might go by another name, it might be 'hidden', but there's always
> batch.
>
> Remember to remind the auditors of that next time they come around
> asking batch scheduling questions.
>
> A lot of the 'other platform' people say 'there is no batch' because
> they know what a can of worms it is, or maybe they just do not equate
> 'scheduled tasks' as batch.
>
> One of the nearby SAP experts, with mainframe experience (this SAP is
> running on Unix), says SAP Batch is 'simply' a number of 'initiators'
> that run the next batch entry, there is no prioritization, no classes,
> every thing just runs, causing all the imagined potential havoc. If
> the 'initiators' get 'clogged up' SAP will die within a few hours as
> batch is critical to its overall health.
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