(This one tough horse.) An interested colleague has also tried DITTO and 
IDCAMS PRINT on a zero-space data set. Nada. I did a VMAP command that 
shows, in sequence, every space segment of a volume including free 
extents. Nowhere does a zero-space data set show as 'holding on' to any 
spot. 

Another test would be to fill up a volume completely with 'real' data sets 
so that not one single track shows as free. Then try to allocate a 
zero-space data set. It either works or it doesn't . An exercise left to 
the overly curious reader. ;-)

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From:   Lizette Koehler <[email protected]>
To:     [email protected]
Date:   08/27/2012 04:27 PM
Subject:        Re: Space Allocation In Bytes
Sent by:        IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]>



Gil,

What kind of space are you looking for?

LISTC name ALL will provide space info on VSAM but not NON VSAM

If you want space on NON VSAM then I think the PDS utility on the 
CBTTAPE.ORG would work.

Or create a REXX and use the LM functions to list the space or LISTDSI. 

Lizette

> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf
> Of Paul Gilmartin
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:05 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Space Allocation In Bytes
> 
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:36:58 -0700, Skip Robinson wrote:
> 
> >I'm curious about the experiment that shows something on disk. ZAP
> >command says 'DATA SET UNAVAILABLE OR NON-EXISTENT'. IEHLIST says
> >'----THE ABOVE DATASET HAS NO EXTENTS'. What view of the disk shows
> >something on a data track?
> >
> I'm trying for an example.  But what command can I use to list SPACE?
> Neither LISTDS nor LISTCAT seems to do it for me.  (But do I just not 
know the
> correct options?  Something under IDCAMS?)
> 
> Thanks,
> gil

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