Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH,
My patent was not defensive.
Regards,
David
On 2021-08-23 07:50, Seymour J Metz wrote:
A defensive patent is when you patent something that should not be patentable, for the sole purpose
of preventing others for patenting the same "invention". It's a lot less expensive then
having to defend an infringement claim, even if you eventually get that patent invalidated. It
wouldn't be necessary if the USPTO did a better job of detecting "inventions" that are
prior art or obvious to practitioners.
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Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH,
"defensive" ... What exactly are you asking?
If you mean military-related, the answer is no.
Regards,
David
On 2021-08-23 05:45, Seymour J Metz wrote:
IBM defensive patent?
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Hi Bill,
"... "Programming” in REXX, CLIST, and similar types of languages is
hardly programming. ..."
Maybe you should tell that to the US Patent Office in Washington, DC.
They can then invalidate my patent retroactively.
Please see:
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Regards,
David
On 2021-08-21 21:51, Bill Johnson wrote:
“Programming” in REXX, CLIST, and similar types of languages is hardly
programming. Real programming is hundreds or thousands of lines of COBOL, with
IMS, DB2, or CICS calls. I was pretty damn good too. Started off in COBOL/IMS 4
decades ago. Did a little bit of COBOL/CICS and quite a bit of COBOL/DB2 later.
Try putting together the necessary code to drill down a hierarchical database
like IMS.
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On Saturday, August 21, 2021, 9:31 PM, Bob Bridges <robhbrid...@gmail.com>
wrote:
This part of the thread got me thinking. How often do you write a program that
works right the first time, with no compile or execution errors? I'm not
talking about two-liners, of course, or even ten-liners; let's say 30 or
thereabouts. Please specify the language, too, since it seems to me they vary
in error-prone-ness.
I've done it occasionally, but by "occasionally" I mean "less than one time in
twenty"; maybe much less, I'm not sure, and only once in my life when anyone was watching.
That was in PL/C; mostly nowadays I write in REXX and VBA.
In fact my REXXes typically start out with at least ten or fifteen lines of boilerplate,
and any VBA/Excel program likely relies on a raft of common functions and/or objects that
are part of my regular library, so when I say "30 lines", some of those lines
don't really count.
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....one of my other supervisors/teachers would tell me about her application
experience. She said no matter how complex her COBOL programs were, they would
not only compile first time but would run perfectly. This of course was due to
her rigorous desk-checking which I assume took days.
I remember thinking "that's crazy" but I just kept quiet. I'll give her a
break because that could have been at the time of card punching where such desk-checking
made far more sense.
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