Any programming language can be complex. The problems I’ve had to solve in my 40 year career were far more complex as a programmer than as a SP, DBA, DASD Admin, Security Admin.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 4:40 PM, David Spiegel <dspiegel...@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Bill, I understood that you were defending IBM patents and thank you for the compliment. Why, though, do you think that COBOL programs with Database calls can be complex, when the languages I mentioned are more "dense" (i.e. logic per keystroke) with or without the Database calls? (PL/I and Rexx are very close in density. If you agree that large PL/I programs can be complex, then why can Rexx not also be complex?) Regards, David On 2021-08-22 16:16, Bill Johnson wrote: > Dude, you can’t even figure out I’m on YOUR side. When I posted a few months > back regarding IBM patents, a whole bunch of listers bashed me and claimed > most of IBMs patents were worthless. I’m impressed that you have patented > code. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 4:13 PM, David Spiegel <dspiegel...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Bill, > Are you just a troll, or, are you really that impolite/ignorant? > > My Rexx patented program was reviewed by the US Patent office and I was > required to defend it against 5 others. > It took 9 calendar months from the start of application until granting > of patent. > There are reasons why IBM leads the world in patents, BUT, they still > have to pass muster regardless. > > What makes you think, nitwit, that programming 10,000 lines of COBOL (, > which, BTW is freaking wordy beyond belief) is more mind bending than Rexx? > If you would've coded 10,000 lines of PL/I, FORTRAN or (especially) > APL, that would've contained a lot more logic than your "essay" with all > of the attendant COBOL nonsense. > > Regards, > David > > On 2021-08-22 13:35, Bill Johnson wrote: >> I seem to remember IBM listers poo pooing patents when I pointed out IBM >> leads the world in patents every year. Comparing a 40 line REXX/CLIST >> “program” to a 10,000 line IMS/COBOL program that scans a parts database is >> an absolute joke. Patent or not. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 6:15 AM, David Spiegel <dspiegel...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> "... "Programming” in REXX, CLIST, and similar types of languages is >> hardly programming. ..." >> >> Maybe you should tell that to the US Patent Office in Washington, DC. >> They can then invalidate my patent retroactively. >> >> Please see: >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatents.justia.com%2Fpatent%2F8261255&data=04%7C01%7C%7C1abf00ca323340b3569208d965a9d1fd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637652602401866279%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=l2QtKunARAvX7Dl9cpFUMOCFzkIeMwHUT5aOMULOdEk%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Regards, >> David >> >> On 2021-08-21 21:51, Bill Johnson wrote: >>> “Programming” in REXX, CLIST, and similar types of languages is hardly >>> programming. Real programming is hundreds or thousands of lines of COBOL, >>> with IMS, DB2, or CICS calls. I was pretty damn good too. Started off in >>> COBOL/IMS 4 decades ago. Did a little bit of COBOL/CICS and quite a bit of >>> COBOL/DB2 later. Try putting together the necessary code to drill down a >>> hierarchical database like IMS. >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021, 9:31 PM, Bob Bridges <robhbrid...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> This part of the thread got me thinking. How often do you write a program >>> that works right the first time, with no compile or execution errors? I'm >>> not talking about two-liners, of course, or even ten-liners; let's say 30 >>> or thereabouts. Please specify the language, too, since it seems to me >>> they vary in error-prone-ness. >>> >>> I've done it occasionally, but by "occasionally" I mean "less than one time >>> in twenty"; maybe much less, I'm not sure, and only once in my life when >>> anyone was watching. That was in PL/C; mostly nowadays I write in REXX and >>> VBA. >>> >>> In fact my REXXes typically start out with at least ten or fifteen lines of >>> boilerplate, and any VBA/Excel program likely relies on a raft of common >>> functions and/or objects that are part of my regular library, so when I say >>> "30 lines", some of those lines don't really count. >>> >>> --- >>> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 >>> >>> /* The schools of ancient morality had four cardinal virtues: justice in >>> human relations, prudence in the directions of affairs, fortitude in >>> bearing trouble or sorrow, temperance or self-restraint. But they knew >>> nothing of mercy or forgiveness, which is not natural to the human heart. >>> Forgiveness is an exotic, which Christ brought with Him from Heaven. >>> -F.B.Meyer */ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of >>> Tom Brennan >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 13:41 >>> >>> ....one of my other supervisors/teachers would tell me about her >>> application experience. She said no matter how complex her COBOL programs >>> were, they would not only compile first time but would run perfectly. This >>> of course was due to her rigorous desk-checking which I assume took days. >>> >>> I remember thinking "that's crazy" but I just kept quiet. I'll give her a >>> break because that could have been at the time of card punching where such >>> desk-checking made far more sense. >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> . >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> . > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
