> but it's gone now. FSVO gone; ArcaNoae is still selling a rebranded OS/2 under the name ArcaOS, and is still making enhancement to the parts that aren't OCO.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of Tom Brennan [[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 3:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: AWS Outage Analysis: December 7, 2021 And that's where we disagree. Banks will do whatever is most economical that still meets their needs. If x86-cloud doesn't meet those requirements today, they stay on the mainframe. Tomorrow... only the shadow knows. People say OS/2 was far better in design, operation, and security than Windows, but it's gone now. Sometimes the "best" system is simply what everybody else is using. Got to go now because I just put in a betamax. On 12/11/2021 10:51 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Do you put your DR placement right across the street from your data center? > Consolidation is bad. Exposure for everyone in the same place is a disaster > waiting to happen. Like last week. It’s why truly important functions like > banks don’t do clouds. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 1:46 PM, Tom Brennan > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Of course... military has the money (the $500 hammer?) to have > redundancy on their redundancy. Business installations normally can't > justify those costs. > > However, I think if we looked close we both might be surprised at all > the various baskets AWS has behind the scenes. But like any basket > collection, there are always single points of failure. > > On 12/11/2021 6:06 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> You’ve just described what the mainframe does for an organization. But, I >> don’t want every organization to have its eggs in one basket any more than I >> want every nuclear weapon in one silo. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 2:01 AM, Tom Brennan >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I don't agree (surprise!) I've always advocated putting all your eggs in >> one basket, and then taking really good care of that basket with >> backups, DR, procedures, dual this, dual that, etc. >> >> On 12/10/2021 5:55 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: >>> This paragraph concerns me. >>> One of the founding principles of the early Internet design was >>> decentralization – by design, a single fault would not be able to take out >>> everything. In a way, today’s reliance on large cloud providers removes the >>> benefits of decentralization; we rely on the scalability, cost >>> effectiveness, and flexibility of today’s SaaS and Cloud offerings yet we >>> are potentially putting all of our eggs into one basket. This same >>> statement applies to CDNs, as seen with the recent Akamai outage from this >>> past summer. >>> This was one of the drawbacks we experienced when our GM subsidiary (and >>> all GM subsidiaries eventually) combined into EDS data centers. Charlotte >>> was where ours was located. If the mainframe went down in Charlotte, >>> multiple GM subsidiaries were screwed. Costing GM tens of millions in >>> highly paid union labor twiddling their thumbs. >>> If an ETSY business owner selling crocheted scarves has a 4 hour outage, >>> it’s probably not that bad. If an auto plant, bank or brokerage, health >>> care provider, insurance company, or airline is down for 4 hours, it could >>> be disastrous. >>> Clouds aren’t all they’re cracked up to be. >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Friday, December 10, 2021, 8:00 PM, Mark Regan <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Since this topic is still somewhat active, I thought I'd forward this link. >>> >>> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1VdxNSr5oNAQIY_IuLOlC4eu1pUGuCm7vgMLEOOk8l-uJYYTC2njZMSgoVuhc4RR6ZoqjSJt8HLCmprAEvHqN-AbtUE15bNGAmhcphIM8fZsb8uk4TPJGywYn87SPcRPqiIZKZ4UjcvNeEArp8KaFRg1xLNkjpigMwbWPi1OnKpDJ5O_Saz-s41pYb5Vn9f8qGO-WtxsvyC3yPjmNSQYvV8OfrAPbcN6nbdYWHbL_P27RMmhDq4r-u5L488_vKaVxQqUfL8VtJ9iH-wb3zBIYamLLF2ZFNKTFiQrP93jicUdrOtTh8TAXvxqVcg8-6aveKLbyxqew0CLJL-uWtGFykJ4SRz26saGdNeX8kVArZvSuuPKgs0BY51i5IWOFoVbFK5lEo7SggAlHf8nJ_TDBb_RLR_9ThtoIPnHL9ogP6vvVlvW_EUqxLLtQSUGAR69MBU01-FfJ83uvK7ERyfsVWQ/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thousandeyes.com%2Fblog%2Faws-outage-analysis-dec-7-2021 >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mark Regan, K8MTR, EN80tg >>> CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1979 active; 1979-1991, reserves; including two >>> years with the Ohio Air National Guard) >>> Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017 (z/OS Network Software Consultant) >>> Email: [email protected] >>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-t-regan >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> . >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> . >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
