If the AWS, Azure, & other clouds aren’t cheaper than the mainframe, why transition? What “benefits” are there on AWS that’s not available on the mainframe? Except the lack of security, downtime, and slower speed the public clouds give you.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-23/capital-one-agrees-to-190-million-settlement-in-cyber-lawsuit Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, June 17, 2022, 11:00 AM, kekronbekron <000002dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: "Sure, AWS, Azure, Oracle cloud & numerous others are creating cheap, unsecured, unreliable, platforms for...." Cloud ain't cheap my friend. The same IBM pricing monstrosity of choices and clauses has reborn as cloud pricing for the different components. We (as in people in general) hear anecdotes of pricing/spend whoopsie from cloud a lot, mainly AWS. On unsecured & unreliable, well... no one can 100% agree to that. Would you blame IBM if your CICS 5.6 region was setup to run with 3KB EDSA or something dumb like that. Best not to nitpick that exact example, but rather just the point that reliability is engineered & a choice. "... if they’re hacked or down for one of many reasons." There's no point in picking sides for common problems/goals such as securing platforms & networks. "As Capital One found out and lost almost 200 million for the pleasure." What happened there? - KB ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, June 17th, 2022 at 7:15 PM, Ronald Wells <000002ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Well put---thank you > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > Bill Johnson > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 8:31 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and > AWS > > ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** > > > Cloud - Something the mainframe has been doing for decades. We called it > outsourcing. GM ran their entire organization out of mainframes in Charlotte, > Dallas, & perhaps another in the 80’s. The internet just made it easier, and > less secure & reliable. Brought outsourcing to a wider audience. > > Mainframe modernization. An oxymoron. Like saying today’s cars are like cars > from 50 years ago. The mainframe is more advanced than any other platforms. > Billions of dollars of investment and patented technologies have guaranteed > its place for decades to come. > > Sure, AWS, Azure, Oracle cloud & numerous others are creating cheap, > unsecured, unreliable, platforms for small businesses, picture storage, > emails, instant messaging, and many other tasks that aren’t show stoppers if > they’re hacked or down for one of many reasons. As Capital One found out and > lost almost 200 million for the pleasure. > > I enjoy the glee that many of you exude when IBM has what might be perceived > as negative news. I saw the same glee when in the 90’s some idiot said the > mainframe would be history circa 2000. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, June 17, 2022, 9:06 AM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:50 AM David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Maybe it's the case that customers don't want to use IBMs cloud. Where > > I live in Australia the big four banks are moving significant chunks > > of their infrastructure to public cloud and have government > > legislation to do so. NAB in particular have been quite aggressive, > > although like most sensible enterprises they have gone down the > > multi-cloud route with Microsoft Azure so they don't have all their eggs in > > one basket. > > > > It will be interesting to see if IBM can close the cloud gap. Playing > > catch-up is difficult when competing with behemoths with a decade+ > > head start. > > > Indeed. Word from insiders is that since IBM "management" have decided cloud > is The Answer, folks have started playing games, like attributing all > CICS-related revenue as "cloud". Q4 2020, IBM claimed $6.2B in cloud revenue > on total revenue of $16B. Given that nobody EVER says"cloud" and "IBM" in the > same sentence in the real world, those numbers are quite difficult to believe > without this kind of gameplaying. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > Email Disclaimer > > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which > may be legally privileged information. 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