What’s the difference between JPM’s mainframe and Capital One’s AWS? Other than one is fast, reliable, and secure and the other is not. Both can be located anywhere in the world and accessed from anywhere via all kinds of devices. Explain the difference. What makes one a cloud and not the other?
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, June 17, 2022, 1:36 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: OK...that was the commonality. Either that or you were suggesting that "banking transactions" implies cloud. I saw no "cloud" in anything you listed other than that one bank was running their stuff in AWS. Viewed through that lens, the question doesn't even make sense: "Is this thing that IS in the cloud different from this other thing that's not in the cloud?" Well, yes. On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:30 PM Bill Johnson < 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I never said APP = Cloud. I can get my banking transactions anywhere in > the world from JPM wherever their mainframe is located. The exact same > thing I can do with Capital One via AWS. The APPS are just the front end > query mechanism. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, June 17, 2022, 1:22 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Correct. App <> cloud. > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:04 PM Bill Johnson < > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > So if I get my banking transactions by Capital One APP via AWS, that’s > > cloud, but if I get those same banking transactions via JP Morgan APP > which > > acquires the records via CICS transaction from DB2 that’s not cloud? > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Friday, June 17, 2022, 12:56 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I'm highly suspicious of cloud in general, don't get me wrong. But IBM > > can't just call CICS "cloud" and expect it to mean anything. Calling a > tail > > a leg doesn't make it one: when the rest of the industry says "cloud" > these > > days, they don't just mean outsourcing, and definitely don't mean CICS. > And > > CICS isn't a synonym for outsourcing in any case. > > > > Actually, if you think of cloud services in terms of HTTPS transactions, > > CICS isn't that far off in some ways--but it still isn't the same thing, > > more an older, pre-Internet version of something similar. Yes, CICS can > > serve web pages; that doesn't make CICS = cloud! > > > > "Mainframe modernization" is a pretty bogus term, nicely loaded: "Hmm, if > > mainframe modernization exists, mainframes must be > > old-fashioned/obsolete/behind". Wrong, as we know. "Mainframe emulation" > is > > closer, only that tends to make us think zPDT, Hercules, et al.; "z/OS > > emulation" seems more accurate to me, but isn't the term that folks use, > so > > it doesn't help at this point. It's a mess. > > > > But none of this discussion, interesting as it is, relates to the fact > that > > IBM claims to have a cloud presence BUT has chosen to host their offering > > in AWS. Those two items are pretty hard to reconcile. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
