The Devil is in the details. Some of us have very good memories and remember how bad the "good old days", and it is a capital error to assume that everybody complaining about, e.g., DF/EF, must be a luddite. Quite often they are ranting because of real, and serious problems.
That said, any hypothetical person ranting solely because it is a GUI is a very different case. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of Dave Beagle <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2024 11:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: another z/OSMF rant. -- Catch-22 is killing me This thread sounds like a bunch of old people (guys mostly) complaining about how great things were when we were young. IBM had to do something to make z/OS viable to corporate America and the fact that most of us will be retired or dead in a decade. The Chinese mention about where z/OSMF was developed isn’t even remotely relevant. The Chinese are pretty smart people. Smarter than most Americans. Just look at the roster of doctors at the Cleveland/Mayo clinics or the c-suite of corporations the world over, including the US. Progress marches on regardless of whether we like it or not. Dave B. إسرائيل قتلت 40 ألف فلسطيني بريء On Thursday, July 11, 2024, 10:08 AM, Doug Fuerst <[email protected]> wrote: No comment. Doug Fuerst ------ Original Message ------ From "Steve Beaver" <[email protected]> To [email protected] Date 7/11/2024 9:05:06 AM Subject Re: another z/OSMF rant. -- Catch-22 is killing me >The folks that wrote and are responsible for zOSMF is IBM China Labs > > >Sent from my iPhone > >No one said I could type with one thumb > >> On Jul 11, 2024, at 06:44, Doug Fuerst <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Back when I was an FE, we used to discuss the fact that some components >>were so difficult to replace that the designers probably never had to >>actually replace them. We always thought that the designers should have to >>replace every part we had to replace in the field before the design was >>signed off on. Never happened though... >> >> Doug Fuerst >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From "Brian Westerman" <[email protected]> >> To [email protected] >> Date 7/11/2024 0:32:21 AM >> Subject Re: another z/OSMF rant. -- Catch-22 is killing me >> >>> It just occurred to me that maybe the people who build z/OSMF never really >>>had to use it to build a production system. Building something that IPLs is >>>simple. building a production replacement takes some doing and having >>>someone that might not really "get" the entire process can really make the >>>process quite hard. >>> >>> Just a thought. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
