I vote for going back to the way it was.
"Confidentially doc, I am the wabbit." Bugs Bunny Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Thursday, July 11th, 2024 at 8:39 AM, Colin Paice <[email protected]> wrote: > When I worked for IBM we had people (the product 2nd line, and also some > recent grads) install our product (on Windows and Linux). This was an eye > opener and we changed the installation process. > We also tried a GUI installer for z/OS, but this made the easy bits easier > - and didn't handle the difficult bits - such as the RACF definitions. It > is no longer supported. > There is a common phrase something like if you want to improve a process - > do not go down the path of automate and simplify - but instead do simplify > then automate. > > Whatever solution we have - it has to be do-able unaided by 25 year olds - > that is our target audience. > > Rather than just let off stream, are there any suggestions on things we > could do to improve the whole installation process? > Colin > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 at 12:53, Seymour J Metz [email protected] wrote: > > > Even when developers have to eat their own dogfood, they may be too > > familiar with the product to recognize issues that customers might > > encounter. > > > > Does anybody have access to a pool of untrained testers? IMHO, that's > > essential for adequately testing a user interface. > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [email protected] on behalf > > of Doug Fuerst [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2024 7:44 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: another z/OSMF rant. -- Catch-22 is killing me > > > > Back when I was an FE, we used to discuss the fact that some components > > were so difficult to replace that the designers probably never had to > > actually replace them. We always thought that the designers should have > > to replace every part we had to replace in the field before the design > > was signed off on. Never happened though... > > > > Doug Fuerst > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From "Brian Westerman" [email protected] > > To [email protected] > > Date 7/11/2024 0:32:21 AM > > Subject Re: another z/OSMF rant. -- Catch-22 is killing me > > > > > It just occurred to me that maybe the people who build z/OSMF never > > > really had to use it to build a production system. Building something that > > > IPLs is simple. building a production replacement takes some doing and > > > having someone that might not really "get" the entire process can really > > > make the process quite hard. > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
