Well, if we look at Trade Union as models, they have training and certifications and union wages which are required by federal and state laws. Training and certifications would certainly be a long term goal, perhaps reviews of existing classes and tracking of how well graduates do at work sites for certifications. But a long term goal.
How about published salary documentation such as federal / state / government employee classifications and rates?.Then set your scale for non-union jobs at least 40% higher for job security, pension, possibly health insurance differences. On Fri, Feb 6, 2026 at 11:00 AM Steve Beaver <[email protected]> wrote: > > We would have to put together a spreadsheet of all IBM Mainframe Skills on a > line item basis with a floor rate of $120/Hr W2 or $135/Hr C2C depending on > skill > > Also realizing everyone in the business would have to signon > > > Sent from my iPhone > > No one said I could type with one thumb > > > On Feb 6, 2026, at 10:51, Charles Mills <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > My guess would be to contact an existing union that seemed relevant. SEIU? > > IBEW? CWA? OPEIU? > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_labor_unions_in_the_United_States > > > > Charles > > > >> On 2/6/2026 8:38 AM, Steve Beaver wrote: > >> Ok Charles. How do we as a group in the United States start a trade union > >> and publish our fee schedule? > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> No one said I could type with one thumb > >> > >>>> On Feb 6, 2026, at 10:30, Steve Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Yeah but we rejected that when the state of NJ decided that systems > >>> programmers should fall under Cosmetology, while about the same period > >>> Texas was pursuing those claiming to be engineers that had not been > >>> granted such a legal title. This involved IBM who had CEs (Customer > >>> Engineers), and the like. > >>> > >>> NaSPA (National association of Systems programmers- can't remember what > >>> the "A" stood for) was alive at that time, as was an informal group of > >>> computer contractors/consultants. > >>> > >>> No, I'm not kidding, I didn't make it up. Scott Sherer was the Pres of > >>> NaSPA and he retired and Radi Shurbaji (I think that was how he spelled > >>> it -- we worked at Boole & Babbage about the same time) manged to become > >>> the president and it then tried to be all things to all people and it > >>> collapsed. (Mainframe, Windows, networking, etc. etc.) > >>> > >>> RMPCP continued as a group (contractor/consultants) until Robert M. > >>> Pritchett died. Sigh. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 2/6/2026 11:02 AM, Charles Mills wrote: > >>>> The traditional solution to this problem is a trade union. > >>>> > >>>> Just sayin' > >>>> > >>>> Charles > >>>> > >>>>> On 2/5/2026 6:01 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: > >>>>> Tom. My point is if we all push back to > >>>>> the Indian recruiters for a sold month the point will get made. Most > >>>>> recruiters constantly call even if you are working you push back and > >>>>> help the community at large > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>> No one said I could type with one thumb > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Feb 5, 2026, at 18:52, Tom Brennan<[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ok, I need a job to eat, but instead of eating at $60 an hour I'll > >>>>>> hold out for $120. The BMI chart says I'm just a smidge into the > >>>>>> overweight category, so I should be ok for a couple of weeks. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 2/5/2026 11:09 AM, Steve Beaver wrote: > >>>>>>> If we ALL push back all at the same time recruiters and companies > >>>>>>> will get the point > >>>>>> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
