All, I find this article/thread interesting. Statistically , about 80 % of all Banking and Insurance is on z/OS. Why shouldn't we developers, of which i am one, have access to the tools we need to develop top notch software. LUA I know a little, Python some and it's very impressive as is Ruby. Java is good but I don't think is the total answer to all our programming and development needs. I agree with the gentleman about support for the z/os version of Python. Money and needs coupled usually unfortunately drive the development at times.
Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Jun 29, 2013, at 11:47 PM, David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 30/06/2013 3:01 AM, zMan wrote: >> No Python on z/OS, not now, apparently not ever. Van Rossum doesn't believe >> in it: >> >> "How important is z/OS? I'm very skeptical of the viability of any OS >> that uses an encoding that is not a superset of ASCII." > > You have to read the whole thread http://bugs.python.org/issue1298 to see it > in context. > > He was objecting to committing an EBCDIC patch into pythons main source > repository. I agree with him. The last thing they need is > un-maintained EBCDIC code lingering around after the original author abandons > the port! That is exactly what happened with perl. > Much better to host a patch file as they suggested. > > You can download Python for z/OS here > http://www.teaser.fr/~jymengant/mvspython/downloads.html. It's old and only > executes > in unix but it's quite usable. > >> Finger firmly on the pulse of the industry there... >> >> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Martin Packer >> <martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com>wrote: >> >>> Yes, I know. And I'm always positive about new languages - scripting or >>> otherwise - appearing on z/OS. For one, it makes it more fun. For two, it >>> means useful packages can be ported. >>> >>> Would dearly love to see PHP, node.js, Python etc ported and supported on >>> z/OS. If I didn't have a job I love making this so would be the one I'd >>> want to do. :-) >>> >>> Cheers, Martin >>> >>> Martin Packer, >>> zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, >>> Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM >>> >>> +44-7802-245-584 >>> >>> email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com >>> >>> Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker >>> Blog: >>> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker >>> >>> >>> >>> From: David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> >>> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, >>> Date: 06/29/2013 01:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes >>> frequently) >>> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 29/06/2013 6:39 PM, Martin Packer wrote: >>>> Would a Lua port use System XML? I suspect not - which is what it might >>>> take to make XML processing "for the masses" on z/O >>> We're talking about scripting languages. >>> >>> Do you know of any REXX libraries on z/OS that can even parse XML? Do >>> they use System XML. Is System XML any good anyway other than offloading >>> to a zIIP? If I tried to use System XML in my product would it make my >>> development times shorter? Put your positive hat on an try to accept that >>> there may well be a solution that will work better then what we already >>> have. >>> >>>> Cheers, Martin >>>> >>>> Martin Packer, >>>> zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, >>>> Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM >>>> >>>> +44-7802-245-584 >>>> >>>> email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com >>>> >>>> Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker >>>> Blog: >>>> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> >>>> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, >>>> Date: 06/29/2013 05:05 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Great quote on http://slashdot.org (changes >>>> frequently) >>>> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 29/06/2013 11:28 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >>>>> Oh noes, >>>>> >>>>> not another language! >>>> I think YASL is the term your looking for Wayne. >>>> >>>> Having said that, how many scripting languages do we have on z/OS? REXX, >>>> CLIST, perl or propriety vendor languages like NCL etc. How many of them >>>> can do mundane tasks like parsing XML? That's easy in Lua >>>> http://matthewwild.co.uk/projects/luaexpat/examples.html. How would you >>>> parse >>>> XML? Code a COBOL/PL/1 program. Use XML system services in assembler. >>>> Use C++ xereces. None of those solutions are simple. >>>> >>>> If you wanted to write a quick web app would you choose WebSphere Java, >>>> CICS? Yet again piece of cake in Lua http://www.keplerproject.org/ or >>>> the bleeding edge Luvit framework which is a node.js clone, already in >>>> production at rackspace http://luvit.io/. >>>> >>>> Very small language easy to learn http://tylerneylon.com/a/learn-lua/. >>>> >>>>> http://hammerprinciple.com/therighttool/items/forth/lua >>>>> >>>>> Go Forth and multiply comes to mind. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM, David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 29/06/2013, at 10:00 AM, Shane Ginnane <ibm-m...@tpg.com.au> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:19:12 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ...I've come to the conclusion that REXX is a dog. And seriously >>>> underpowered for modern use cases >>>>>>>> ... Poor old EXECIO has never looked more pathetic. >>>>>>> And I thought Dave was quicker on the up-take than that .... ;-) >>>>>>> But his recommendation(s) need serious consideration. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lua - yet another "language" to maybe have a look at. I seem to have >>>> about half a dozen already "half-looked" at. >>>>>> What you have to consider is what languages are available on z/OS. The >>>> cupboard is pretty bare other than JVM languages which don't run in the >>>> native environment. Most people consider mainframe modernisation to be >>>> replacing green screens with GUI front ends. That's all well and good >>> but >>>> what I really yearn for are the tools that I'm used to on other >>> platforms. >>>> I chose Lua because its easy to port and I was already using it to >>> create >>>> cross platform mobile apps with the corona SDK. The z/OS ports of python >>>> and perl are stale. Ruby and JavaScript are difficult to port to EBCDIC. >>>>>> It's true that there are far too many languages to choose from. All of >>>> them have strengths and weaknesses. Although Lua is well known as a >>> video >>>> game language and notorious for the flame/stuxnet viruses it runs >>>> brilliantly on z/OS. Its so fast my colleagues thought I was tricking >>> them >>>> and running compiled code. >>>>>> Quite a popular language >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/marbux/home/where-lua-is-used >>>>>>> Shane ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>>>>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >>> IBM-MAIN >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>>>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Unless stated otherwise above: >>>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number >>>> 741598. >>>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 >>> 3AU >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number >>> 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
