Damnit, meant to add <grin>
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM, zMan <[email protected]> wrote: > Speaking of not talking like a mainframer... > > > On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 11:42 AM, John Gilmore <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Some part of David Crayford's problem here is that he does not talk >> like---and almost certainly does not want to talk like---a mainframer. >> >> I am reminded of the verses in the Book of Judges: >> >> 12, 4 Then Jephthah gathered together all the men of Gilead, and >> fought with Ephraim: and the men of Gilead smote Ephraim, because they >> said, Ye Gileadites are fugitives of Ephraim among the Ephraimites, >> and among the Manassites. >> >> 5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the >> Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were >> escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, >> art thou an Ephraimite? If he say Nay; >> >> 6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: >> for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and >> slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the >> Ephraimites forty and two thousand. >> >> David is of course in no danger of being slain here; but he does need >> to practice his 'sh's. >> >> Even after he has done so some substantive differences will remain. >> In particular, the mainframe community's notions of what constitutes >> adequate reliability and availability are more exigent, much more >> exigent, than those of the open-source community. This difference >> comes close to being visceral; and it will only be bridged, if at all, >> by patient and careful discussion. Dismissiveness---It is common on >> both sides of this divide---will not not advance matters. >> >> John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > > > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
