> FTP was written by a group of people who were (IMO) people that never saw
a MF computer and had no concept of how it worked

True beyond a shadow of a doubt. FTP was written by UNIX people for UNIX.

Just sayin'

Charles

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Edward Gould
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: FTP on z/OS sucks

> On Sep 6, 2016, at 12:44 PM, John Mattson <[email protected]>
wrote:
> 
> zOS was middle aged before the internet was born.  FTP on zOS is like 
> a dog walking on its hind legs, it is not that it does it well, but 
> that it does it at all.  The amazing thing is that it works as well as 
> it does, and every time I use FTP to download software and service 
> from IBM I am filled with joy.  I remember ordering round tapes and 
> waiting a month for them to arrive, and praying.

John:

I will disagree with you.
1. Tapes never took a month and in my experiance  never had a data check and
it was secure. In fact most took a couple of days. If you needed a fix fast
you could d/l from Boulder with minimum JCL yes it was slow but usual fixes
were 5 minutes or less (at least the fixes I needed).
2. FTP is fraught with issues (even with secure downloads) that you have to
do a secure d/l you have to jump through hoops in order to get it to work
nor had any idea on how to document (according to IBM standards).
3. FTP was written by a group of people who were (IMO) people that never saw
a MF computer and had no concept of how it worked. The same can be said 

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