[Default] On 25 Jun 2017 11:03:48 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main [email protected] (Tom Brennan) wrote:
>"I am not against the automatic updates. I am against the ones that >cause crashes." > >Ha ha... perfect :) > >A different story: I've been getting various "Time to update to Win 10 >Creators Edition" messages (along with shutdown and scheduling options) >for a few weeks and put them off until yesterday when I had more time. >So I pushed the button. About 45 minutes later (and many automatic >reboots) my Win 10 box was back up and running fine. I tested all the >programs I normally use and I haven't found any problems yet. And >basically, other than an Edge window showing up initially with links to >new features (that I don't need), I haven't seen any changes. I don't recall if I updated to the Creator's edition but I have kept fairly up to date on all my computers. Windows 10 itself has not caused me the problems others here have had. What I object to is the lack of a way to prevent an automatic reboot when you are away from even if you are doing uploads or downloads. I object to not being able to do an immediate shutdown without installing updates even if I am faced with an imminent loss of power (I don't have that much time on my UPS). I object to not being able to hold off on an update download if I have another time critical upload or download occurring. I do not object to increasingly hard to ignore messages to download and apply updates. I also believe more research should be done into whether techniques employed by Tandem and others to minimize or eliminate reboots for applying updates can be made general. Clark Morris > >I had a few USB's plugged in (disk, KVM switch, and an RC flight >simulator) and had no problems with the boot. This is a new and very >fast machine with SSD C drive, so that may have helped. > >I do find it interesting that Microsoft is apparently forcing upgrades. > In the end this might be a good thing for both sides, even though >(like mainframes) it costs money and time and makes users upset. For >example, what if all those health-care organizations had the WannaCry >update already applied? It wouldn't have been news. > >Bill Wilkie wrote: >> The choices you get are UPDATE AND RESTART or UPDATE AND SHUTDOWN. But you >> must install the updates. >> >> >> I learned later after having numerous crashes that you can set the METERED >> CONNECTION and it will stop the automatic updates. But even that comes with >> some quirks. For example, I set it on my wife's machine but when she tried >> printing it said she may exceed her time so it wouldn't print. I had to >> remove the metered connection, do the print and turn it on again. I worry >> about the day when I need to enable it again. >> >> >> I am not against the automatic updates. I am against the ones that cause >> crashes. >> >> >> For example, they clobbered my WIFI driver after one update and I couldn't >> connect. I had to hardwire to the Comcast box to be able to keep working. >> When I had time, I did some searches and found they clobbered my WIFI >> driver. I found where to download the new driver and it worked again. But I >> pity the number of people who didn't know how to fix it and ran to Best Buy >> or Staples and spent a fortune. >> >> >> The worst part is when they tell people they need a new machine and >> Microsoft makes yet more money. And nobody is saying a word about it, and >> IMHO it is the biggest RIP OFF of the century. >> >> >> Another one was It didn't come up after the updates. I researched that and >> finally found that it was because you couldn't have anything plugged into a >> USB port, so even the wireless mouse stopped it from coming up. On a >> restart, I was only seeing those circular dots, the ones that give you a >> stomach ache. I used my wife's machine to Look It up and removed the USB >> devices and it came up. I asked the guys at Best Buys and Staples how much >> they must be making from Windows 10 updates killing machines and they said a >> fortune. >> >> >> Bill >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of >> Clark Morris <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:11 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Windows 10 Pro automatic update: was Re: Eliminating the systems >> programmer was Re: IBM cuts contractor billing by 15 percent (our else) >> >> [Default] On 24 Jun 2017 12:43:13 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main >> [email protected] (scott Ford) wrote: >> >> >>>Guys, >>> >>>I am a bit different. We run z/PDT on OpenSuse Leap 42.2 x64..running z/OS >>>2.2 . >>>But we us Windows and Linux for our LDAP with are STC agents on z/OS. I am >>>basically all alone with other developers. >>>My laptop runs Windows 10 Pro with a Tn3270 client and use ssh. >> >> >> Does Windows 10 Pro have the forced automatic update? Is the ability >> to say that normal working hours are 00:01 to 24:00? Do you always >> have the choice of Shutdown without update? >> >> Clark Morris >> >>>I am seeing a lot of customers who lack knowledge in a lot of areas ...so I >>>get pulled in .. >>> >>>Scott >>> >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 4:19 PM John McKown <[email protected]> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Bobbie Justice < >>>>[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"As I am reading this, all I can think of is Windows 10 and Automatic >>>>>updates. Since accidentally going to Windows 10, I have crashed my laptop >>>>>at least 10 times and spent many days and a lot of money trying to >>>> >>>>recover. >>>> >>>>>Be careful what you wish for." >>>>> >>>>>Ditto on windows anything. I've had quite enough of windows automatic >>>>>updates, system restore, reboot, safe mode, reload the entire operating >>>>>system, reload various drivers, reload various apps, reboot again, etc. >>>> >>>>etc. >>>> >>>>>No thanks. >>>>> >>>> >>>>?At home, I have Windows 7 Professional which I run in a VM under Linux - >>>>Fedora 25. The _only_ time that I use this is to log on to work. It is >>>>_required_ because work eliminated our VPN in favor of using "Microsoft >>>>Terminal Server Gateway". This decision was made during the height of the >>>>"We are going 100.00000% Microsoft! If it's not MS, we will refuse to run >>>>it!" to the sounds of cheering by the Windows support staff.This was >>>>immediately after our business-oriented CIO retired and the Windows >>>>Infrastructure manager was promoted to CIO. That person is gone, but parts >>>>of his "legacy" remains. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bobbie Jo Justice >>>>>Senior z/OS Systems Engineer >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Veni, Vidi, VISA: I came, I saw, I did a little shopping. >>>> >>>>Maranatha! <>< >>>>John McKown >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>>send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>>> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
