I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but DSS has a separate entry in 
IFAPRDxx.  I said, we're not paying for it.  But we are until we can convert 
application level backups to use FDRAPPL.  But, if what you say is true, then 
maybe applications can continue to use DSS.  I'm not the person who keeps up 
with the contracts and licensing.

PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')                  
        NAME('z/OS')                       
        ID(5650-ZOS)                       
        VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)       
        FEATURENAME(DFSMSDSS)              
        STATE(ENABLED)                     
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')                  
        NAME('z/OS')                       
        ID(5650-ZOS)                       
        VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)       
        FEATURENAME(DFSMSHSM)              
        STATE(DISABLED)                    
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP')                  
        NAME('z/OS')                       
        ID(5650-ZOS)                       
        VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*)       
        FEATURENAME(DFSMSRMM)              
        STATE(ENABLED)                     


-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:46 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

[External Email]

HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + features.



Carmen Vitullo

----- Original Message -----

From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:34:50 PM
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be 
charged for them. In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we 
not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM.

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:31 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

[External Email]

It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services.
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but 
so is FDR if you're use to it.



Carmen Vitullo

----- Original Message -----

From: "retired mainframer" <retired-mainfra...@q.com>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:22:12 PM
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl

Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately priced 
product?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On 
> Behalf Of Clark Morris
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:39 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl
>
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
> retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote:
>
> >Why must it be FDR? Won't ADRDSSU do it?
>
> Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and 
> doesn't have the DSS/HSM products.

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