Ah ! the old days Bob, thanks for the walk down memory lane, I recall back in 
Boeing we were using FDR exclusively, I was prod control at the time, just 
before my move to SYSPROG and FDR compactors jobs were very time consuming, I 
questioned the SYSPROG staff at the time, why don't we just use ADRDSSU to free 
up, compact/compress volumes, you remember Paul? and so it goes, that's one 
reason why FDR tools were used over IBM's ADRDSSU. the misinformation about 
what tools/products we were licensed for, this way before IFAPRD and reporting 
monthly to IBM. 


Carmen Vitullo 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Robert B. Richards" <robert.richa...@opm.gov> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 5:17:01 AM 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

PMFJI 

Just about everyone who posted on this topic had portions of their reply 
somewhat in error. I might as well. :-) 

If my memory serves and I do not fall into the same memory lapses as the rest 
of you... circa the first release of OS/390, IBM started rebranding everything 
under the DFP family to be known as DFSMSxxx. DF/DSS was no longer a product. 
It was to be known as DFSMSdss. IIRC, DFHSM and DFRMM stopped being their own 
products at the V2R6 level. Other former DFP products followed the same 
convention: DFSMSdfp, DFSMShsm and DFSMSrmm. Integration was the reason for the 
season, easier for IBM to support. DFSORT and ICKDSF remained viable with their 
own branding. 

As previously posted, IFAPRDxx controls whether products are enabled or not, 
but I believe DFSMShsm, DFSMSdss and DFSMSrmm are shipped with every order. If 
the STATE is set to ENABLED, you can use it (and start paying for it if you 
weren't already). You do not DELETE those entries, you just set them to 
DISABLED. 

Finally ADRDSSU is a PROGRAM and not a product. 

As to IDP, their suite of FDR products are very good and in some cases (but not 
all) better than the IBM equivalents. Horses for courses. At the time, IBM's 
integration of the DFSMS family into the OS made OS upgrades much simpler. Plus 
IDP was late in delivering FDR 5.0 as the first SMS-capable release. 

I'll stop now. SHIELDS UP! :-) 

Bob 

-----Original Message----- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of PINION, RICHARD W. 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:53 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but DSS has a separate entry in 
IFAPRDxx. I said, we're not paying for it. But we are until we can convert 
application level backups to use FDRAPPL. But, if what you say is true, then 
maybe applications can continue to use DSS. I'm not the person who keeps up 
with the contracts and licensing. 

PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') 
NAME('z/OS') 
ID(5650-ZOS) 
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) 
FEATURENAME(DFSMSDSS) 
STATE(ENABLED) 
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') 
NAME('z/OS') 
ID(5650-ZOS) 
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) 
FEATURENAME(DFSMSHSM) 
STATE(DISABLED) 
PRODUCT OWNER('IBM CORP') 
NAME('z/OS') 
ID(5650-ZOS) 
VERSION(*) RELEASE(*) MOD(*) 
FEATURENAME(DFSMSRMM) 
STATE(ENABLED) 


-----Original Message----- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:46 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

[External Email] 

HSM and RMM are other payable products/services under the DF/SMS service, but 
DF/DSS 'data set services' are not payable services or product, its part of the 
base or base + features. 



Carmen Vitullo 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "RICHARD W. PINION" <rpin...@firsttennessee.com> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:34:50 PM 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

DF/DSS & HSM can be deleted from the list of IBM products, and thus not be 
charged for them. In our shop, we have FDR/ABR/CPK and pay for those, but we 
not do pay for DF/DSS & HSM. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 2:31 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

[External Email] 

It BEEN a part of DPF for so many years, I don't order DFS services or ADRDSSU 
separately or get charged for these services. 
I know most folks, if they get use to using FDR they'd rather use FDR for some 
functions, I know you can copy/move using ADRDSSU and once you have some good 
JCL and control cards (I use ISMF to create some samples) its quite easy, but 
so is FDR if you're use to it. 



Carmen Vitullo 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "retired mainframer" <retired-mainfra...@q.com> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:22:12 PM 
Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 

Doesn't ADRDSSU come with SMS automatically? Is it really a separately priced 
product? 

> -----Original Message----- 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On 
> Behalf Of Clark Morris 
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:39 AM 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: Re: FDRMOVE sample jcl 
> 
> [Default] On 5 Mar 2018 10:11:44 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
> retired-mainfra...@q.com (retired mainframer) wrote: 
> 
> >Why must it be FDR? Won't ADRDSSU do it? 
> 
> Probably because the original poster has the Innovation products and 
> doesn't have the DSS/HSM products. 

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