My song "PUT Process" was motivated by real incidents. JES2 service was especially bad; they would issue a PTF with a packaging error and the fix would again have a packaging error.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs. I'm sympathetic to the argument that new stuff should be investigated, but the problem is whether that really happens in practice. We've all met the sysprog who meticulously codes parameter defaults as a kind of in-your-face documentation so that 'we will all know' what's happening. Then years later the defaults change, but the user-coded list does not get updated. Call me Pollyanna, but I'm willing to trust the latest default. As for getting inconsistent results, I suspect that SMP/E results can be influenced by the particular mix of elements being processed in a given run. That is, applying SYSMOD-A and SYSMOD-B in the same step might uncover a sinkhole that applying one sysmod or the other alone would not. This problem is very difficult to detect in development and may require a lot of customer activity to unearth. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 10:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs. (It's Friday; SPAM is above suspicion.) On Fri, 25 May 2018 16:41:56 +0000, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: >I don't see any problem with the BYPASS statement except that it's needlessly >specific. BYPASS(HOLDSYSTEM) without the list of types should not only >suffice--it does for me--but also hedges against the addition of some new >holdsys type that you also want to bypass but overlooked in the inventory. > OTOH, if a new holdsys type appears it might bear investigation. >Coincidentally we're also working an SR for a different link edit problem with >a System Automation module. Truth is, as good as SMP/E is, it cannot overcome >packaging errors. > No, testing by the supplier should do that. But the cafeteria-style service allowed by SMP/E may make it impractical that a customer could install. And I know of a case (ISV, not IBM) where a PTF passed testing only because of a dirty target zone. The problem was first detected in the field. -- gil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
