Thanks all. David don’t kill the messager, I take your point. It’s not my decision on what/how we do it. Don’t get me wrong I appreciate the ideas from all. We are replacing a Cobol/Hlasm STC with a Rest api interface. We are at the data gathering stage. .
Regards, Scott On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 10:18 AM Kirk Wolf <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Tim, this is good information. I appreciate your contributions to > the community. > I have to say that Liberty might be the most confusing product offering > from IBM *ever* in terms of what versions and license options are > available. > > A) For instance, there is this: > > https://developer.ibm.com/wasdev/docs/websphere-application-server-everyone/ > This seems to be different from the "Open Liberty" version that you > mention. Is it available for z/OS? > It appears to be a subset, since in the article it says: > > "You can see the list in the knowledge center > < > http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEQTP_8.5.5/com.ibm.websphere.wlp.doc/ae/rwlp_feat.html?cp=SSEQTP_8.5.5%2F1-0-2-2-0 > > > (this > license’s features are in the same column as *WAS express*)." > > *If you follow this knowledge center link, there isn't actually a column > for WAS express!* > > B) If you go to: https://developer.ibm.com/wasdev/ and download Liberty, > you seems to get a pure-java implementation. The README doesn't mention > z/OS, and I don't see any Platform-specific JNI libraries, or zos*.jar > files. So, I assume that basic stuff like SAF/RACF authentication won't > be there. > > C) The basic IBM Liberty z/OS questions are these: > - Which versions are available (independently or embedded in something > else) for z/OS? > - Which versions allow applications that are not signed by IBM? > - What features are included or excluded from each? > - What licenses are available for these versions? > - How do you obtain these for z/OS? > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 1:58 AM Timothy Sipples <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > David Crayford wrote: > > >There is no free WLP. > > > > Were you aware that Open Liberty is available under the Eclipse Public > > License? > > > > https://www.openliberty.io > > > > Open Liberty was introduced about a year ago now. Yes, Open Liberty is > > tested and compatible with z/OS (and with Linux on Z and LinuxONE). The > EPL > > is an OSI and FSF recognized license. If you have a commercial product > and > > would like to use Open Liberty as its runtime, that's perfectly fine and > no > > charge. > > > > WebSphere Liberty and CICS Liberty exploit certain z/OS features that > Open > > Liberty does not. Thus you have some choices depending on what you'd like > > to achieve. As examples, you could (not necessarily mutually exclusive): > > > > 1. Distribute and fully support your commercial product with Open Liberty > > for those customers that don't want/need the deeper z/OS integration in > > IBM's commercial Liberty products, but also support customers who prefer > to > > deploy your product on WebSphere Liberty, CICS Liberty, or WebSphere > > Application Server. > > > > 2. Distribute an unsupported trial, demonstration, or basic variant of > your > > commercial product with Open Liberty, and then license/support customers > > who run your full commercial product on WebSphere Liberty, CICS Liberty, > or > > WebSphere Application Server that they separately obtain from IBM, with > IBM > > support. > > > > 3. Contact IBM to obtain a distribution license for WebSphere Liberty for > > your software product, with IBM typically providing you with "Level 3" > > support. > > > > 4. Distribute your open source software with open source Open Liberty to > > everybody, including to z/OS users. > > > > 5. Distribute your software product on its own, but provide instructions > > and support for running it using Open Liberty, WebSphere Liberty, CICS > > Liberty, and WebSphere Application Server. ("Don't have Liberty Profile > or > > WebSphere Application Server yet? No problem. Visit > > https://www.openliberty.io and....") > > > > >IBM don't give away freebies on z/OS. > > > > IBM keeps adding lots of no additional charge features to z/OS. How about > > the IBM Toolkit for Swift on z/OS as one recent example? The Community > > Edition is available at no additional charge and, yes, licensed for > > production use: > > > > https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/products/ibm-toolkit-swift-z-os/ > > > > In this particular case, if you'd like optional IBM support services, > > there's a separate charge. > > > > Here's another example that I didn't even know about until 30 seconds ago > > (as I write this): the free (for 90 days) IBM z/OS Software Checker to > > provide you with a simple report of your z/OS software inventory. It's a > no > > charge subset of IBM Tivoli Asset Discovery for z/OS (circa 2016). Here's > > where you can download it: > > > > https://ibm.biz/BdHBSS > > > > If you want to run a report once or a few times within 90 days, and then > > never use it again -- because you're doing some sort of upgrade and want > to > > run a report for an auditor? -- fine, you're allowed, no problem. > > > > To pick a few more examples, various fonts used to be separately > chargeable > > for z/OS, but now they're included in the base and sometimes useful even > if > > you aren't printing to paper. The IBM Knowledge Center for z/OS is part > of > > the base z/OS operating system, and IBM Doc Buddy is free of charge ( > > https://ibmdocbuddy.mybluemix.net), whereas their ancestors in the > > BookManager family were chargeable. The z/OS Client Web Enablement > Toolkit > > is part of the base operating system. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Timothy Sipples > > IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE, > > Multi-Geography > > E-Mail: [email protected] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Scott Ford IDMWORKS z/OS Development ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
