Hence we thought we could replace our product functionally with zosmf. I am still learning it, David I also realize there must be several ways to ‘skin this cat’ instead of zosmf or our classic STC...
Scott On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:32 PM scott Ford <idfli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > As a ISV we look at the cost to the customer of a product, so this is why > I was asking cost of CICS Liberty and realizing after > 40+ yrs there aren’t many freebies nowadays. We do security provisioning > and reconciliation. > > Regards, > Scott > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Timothy Sipples <sipp...@sg.ibm.com> > Date: Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:52 AM > Subject: Re: websphere-liberty question > To: <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> > > > David Crayford wrote: > >> https://www.openliberty.io > >Very cool. I'll give it a test drive. > > Yes, agreed! When you get a chance, it'd be great to learn how it goes for > you. > > I should also point out that IBM distributes a no charge beta release of > (IBM commercial) Liberty for z/OS here: > > https://developer.ibm.com/wasdev/downloads/#asset/runtimes-wlp-beta-zos > > Kirk Wolf wrote: > > > > https://developer.ibm.com/wasdev/docs/websphere-application-server-everyone/ > >This seems to be different from the "Open Liberty" version that you > >mention. > > Yes, it is different. In 2015, a couple years before Open Liberty, IBM > started offering its commercial Liberty distribution as a no charge > download with a license that allows development, test, *and production*, > without IBM support. However, that particular license (described at that > site) only allows a maximum of 2GB of total Java heap per organization. > It's really for "first in organization" experiences with the commercial > Liberty runtime(s). I didn't mention that particular license offering since > it's not especially well suited to software product vendors and their > needs, but yes, that license is still available in addition to the others I > mentioned. > > >Is it available for z/OS? > > I see no license limitations as to platform(s), so yes, to my knowledge it > is available for z/OS at the Liberty Core function level. > > >You can see the list in the knowledge center > > > > http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEQTP_8.5.5/com.ibm.websphere.wlp.doc/ae/rwlp_feat.html?cp=SSEQTP_8.5.5%2F1-0-2-2-0 > >this license’s features are in the same column as *WAS express*)." > >*If you follow this knowledge center link, there isn't actually a column > >for WAS express!* > > Yes, that article was written in 2015. Later, with Version 9 of WebSphere > Application Server, "Express" effectively became WAS Liberty Core. Here's > the latest Version 9.x feature table, by the way: > > > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEQTP_liberty/com.ibm.websphere.wlp.doc/ae/rwlp_feat.html > > >B) If you go to: https://developer.ibm.com/wasdev/ and download Liberty, > >you seems to get a pure-java implementation. The README doesn't mention > >z/OS, and I don't see any Platform-specific JNI libraries, or zos*.jar > >files. So, I assume that basic stuff like SAF/RACF authentication won't > >be there. > > Yes, I have the same view. You can see those details in the Features table > under the "z/OS" section, with the checkboxes only in the "WebSphere > Application Server for z/OS" column. WebSphere Application Server for z/OS > is one of the ways to license those particular Liberty features for z/OS. > Two other ways are: base CICS Transaction Server for z/OS licensing (since > it includes Liberty for z/OS), and, for independent software vendors, via > an IBM Partnerworld Embedded Solution Agreement (ESA). > > That's the *licensing*. In fact, if you look through the downloads > available at that same "wasdev" site, you should see all of the > z/OS-specific features listed separately, one by one, and available for > individual download. Developers, in particular, can easily get those > software components to target any of their matching licensed z/OS runtimes. > > Anyway, I didn't mention the 2015+ Liberty 2GB license because it wasn't > directly on point for this particular discussion. The 2015+ Liberty 2GB > license is still available (nothing taken away). However, for software > vendors (including open source distributors), the following range of > choices that I described in my previous post is likely to be more > interesting and relevant: > > * Open Liberty > * WebSphere Application Server for z/OS > * CICS Transaction Server for z/OS > * a Liberty (with z/OS unique features) runtime license via Partnerworld > ESA > > So that's what I focused on in my previous post. > > >Which versions allow applications that are not signed by IBM? > > All of the above, with the probable exception of the last choice, the > Partnerworld ESA license. That last one would be dedicated to your > application, and *you* would sign accordingly. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Timothy Sipples > IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE, > Multi-Geography > E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- > Scott Ford > IDMWORKS > z/OS Development > -- Scott Ford IDMWORKS z/OS Development ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
